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Why do people think Alabama-Ohio St is a debate?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 3:39 am
Posted on 12/3/17 at 3:39 am
Alabama is absolutely going to get in. I'm not even sure why people think it will be that close.
If a two loss team in Penn St with a conference championship that beat the one loss team who didn't win their conference couldn't get in last year, why do people think a two loss team without the head to head victory will get in this year?
If a two loss team was ever going to get in it would have been last year. This won't be that close. Bama will get in at 4.
If a two loss team in Penn St with a conference championship that beat the one loss team who didn't win their conference couldn't get in last year, why do people think a two loss team without the head to head victory will get in this year?
If a two loss team was ever going to get in it would have been last year. This won't be that close. Bama will get in at 4.
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Posted on 12/3/17 at 3:49 am to FootballNostradamus
Ok.. Lets look at it from the committees eyes..Lets put Clemson at #1.. They would beat OSU rather easily [AGAIN].. Bama would be a much better game against Clemson... Would the committee put OU at 1 and have an OU/OSU rematch??? I think not// OU vs. Bama would be a much better game...
OU/UGA or Clemson /UGA would both be great games...
Bottom Line is hardly anyone wants to see A Clemson team cream OSU again... And I don't see many wanting A OSU/OU rematch.....
Having said this..I say it will be OU at #1 Clemson at 2 UGA at three and Bama at 4....
OU/UGA or Clemson /UGA would both be great games...
Bottom Line is hardly anyone wants to see A Clemson team cream OSU again... And I don't see many wanting A OSU/OU rematch.....
Having said this..I say it will be OU at #1 Clemson at 2 UGA at three and Bama at 4....
Posted on 12/3/17 at 4:05 am to FootballNostradamus
The debate rests on SOS and conference champ vs losses.
Personally, I don’t give a lot of credence to “Top 25 wins.” The Top 25 is subjective and tbh there isn’t that much difference between #15 and #30 these days. People are acting like Bama played an entire schedule of FCS teams. Power 5 conference schedules aren’t so drastically different with few exceptions. And even if you disagree there’s no truly objective way to tell.
Should the title of conference champion be so important that it overcomes significant blemishes to your overall body of work? Precedent was set on that last year by the committee.
The only real, tangible thing you have to go by is number of losses, especially when comparing two teams with relatively comparable schedules (typical P5). It’s why for the most part the Top 25 flows by number of losses, unless there is an obvious schedule anomaly between teams.
Personally, I don’t give a lot of credence to “Top 25 wins.” The Top 25 is subjective and tbh there isn’t that much difference between #15 and #30 these days. People are acting like Bama played an entire schedule of FCS teams. Power 5 conference schedules aren’t so drastically different with few exceptions. And even if you disagree there’s no truly objective way to tell.
Should the title of conference champion be so important that it overcomes significant blemishes to your overall body of work? Precedent was set on that last year by the committee.
The only real, tangible thing you have to go by is number of losses, especially when comparing two teams with relatively comparable schedules (typical P5). It’s why for the most part the Top 25 flows by number of losses, unless there is an obvious schedule anomaly between teams.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 4:07 am to FootballNostradamus
it's not a debate. it should be UCF
Posted on 12/3/17 at 4:08 am to Mohican
Well why not UCF then since number of losses is so important??
Why not 1 loss Wisconsin?
Why not 1 loss Wisconsin?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 4:21 am to beauchristopher
Because their schedules are anomalous when compared to the teams around them.
Again, it’s not that schedules have no value, it’s that when you are splitting hairs between teams, schedules aren’t necessarily the most objective method.
Again, it’s not that schedules have no value, it’s that when you are splitting hairs between teams, schedules aren’t necessarily the most objective method.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:09 am to FootballNostradamus
If Auburn was going to get in with 2 losses, Ohio State big 10 champ is in.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:54 am to FootballNostradamus
They were about to let Auburn in.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:12 am to FootballNostradamus
You make a good point. They've got the eyes from the South with the three teams already, they need the Midwest.
It'll be interesting how they choose between the current two largest sports media darlings.
It'll be interesting how they choose between the current two largest sports media darlings.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:14 am to FootballNostradamus
Maybe the committee realizes it made a mistake last year by not putting in the big 10 champ.
Their decision to put OSU in didn’t exactly turn out well.
Their decision to put OSU in didn’t exactly turn out well.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:21 am to FootballNostradamus
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Why do people think Alabama-Ohio St is a debate?
Because Hocutt literally said there is little separation between the 5 and 8 ranked teams last Tuesday.
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Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:34 am to FootballNostradamus
LSU is bamas only decent win this year.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:42 am to FootballNostradamus
I was pretty much convinced Bama is getting the nod.
But as I keep thinking about it, I think Ohio State gets the nod. The 30+ pt loss to Iowa is an eye sore, but they have two top ten wins and three wins that are better than Bama's best win.
And, perhaps most importantly, BIG ten being shut out of the playoffs while the SEC sends to teams. That might just be the deciding factor.
Last year the debate was over two BIG ten teams, so that made it a little different.
But as I keep thinking about it, I think Ohio State gets the nod. The 30+ pt loss to Iowa is an eye sore, but they have two top ten wins and three wins that are better than Bama's best win.
And, perhaps most importantly, BIG ten being shut out of the playoffs while the SEC sends to teams. That might just be the deciding factor.
Last year the debate was over two BIG ten teams, so that made it a little different.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 7:56 am
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:44 am to castorinho
Totally agreed.
I do think Bama shouldn't get killed for their schedule, though, as FSU was preseason #2. Not their fault the wheels fell off.
I do think Bama shouldn't get killed for their schedule, though, as FSU was preseason #2. Not their fault the wheels fell off.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:55 am to FootballNostradamus
quote:
Alabama is absolutely going to get in. I'm not even sure why people think it will be that close.
If a two loss team in Penn St with a conference championship that beat the one loss team who didn't win their conference couldn't get in last year, why do people think a two loss team without the head to head victory will get in this year?
Because the playoff committee will change the criteria year to year to fit their agenda and last year and this year OSU helps that agenda.
Besides OSU and Wisconsin deserve to be in ahead of Bama.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:58 am to FootballNostradamus
4 BEST teams get in. Bama is in. Get over it guys
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:59 am to FootballNostradamus
Last year, Ohio state had a great resume
Bama doesn't this year
Also last year, nobody was "penalized" by playing a conference champ game. Ohio state simply stayed ahead of a conf winner
If you put Bama in this year, the committee would be penalizing two teams(Wisky, auburn) for playing while Bama sat home
This year and last year really aren't comparable, but humans are simple creatures so they are trying to make them so
Bama doesn't this year
Also last year, nobody was "penalized" by playing a conference champ game. Ohio state simply stayed ahead of a conf winner
If you put Bama in this year, the committee would be penalizing two teams(Wisky, auburn) for playing while Bama sat home
This year and last year really aren't comparable, but humans are simple creatures so they are trying to make them so
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:58 am to FootballNostradamus
OP is right that Bama will get in, but it's a debate because Ohio State, as well as maybe even USC and Wisconsin, deserve to be in the playoff over Bama. But the only reason Bama will be in the playoff is based on their name. That's it. Their resume is absolute trash, but they'll get rewarded for a spot because they're Bama. It's embarrassing, but that's what will happen. Clemson will absolutely destroy them though.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:02 am to lsusportsman2
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but it's a debate because Ohio State, as well as maybe even USC and Wisconsin, deserve to be in the playoff over Bama.
Did OSU deserve to be in over PSU last year?????
The same thing should happen to OSU this year.....
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:04 am to dukke v
God people equating this year to last year are just fing clueless.
OSU had 3 top 8 wins last year. How many does Bama have this year? PSU only had 2 AFTER they beat Wisconsin in the B1G title game. It's just not a comparable resume for Bama 2017 to OSU 2016. Much more comparable to OSU 2015...and what happened there?
OSU had 3 top 8 wins last year. How many does Bama have this year? PSU only had 2 AFTER they beat Wisconsin in the B1G title game. It's just not a comparable resume for Bama 2017 to OSU 2016. Much more comparable to OSU 2015...and what happened there?
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