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Why are the Texans allowing Watson to camp?
If Deshaun Watson did all the things he's being accused of, why are the Texans allowing him to camp? Wouldn't every other team in the NFL suspend a player for the same extreme allegations until the situation is rectified?

This whole episode hasn't smelled right from the beginning.


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re: Why are the Texans allowing Watson to camp?
I’m surprised he’s even there on his own accord considering he wanted traded out


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I’m surprised he’s even there on his own accord considering he wanted traded out


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re: Why are the Texans allowing Watson to camp?
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If Deshaun Watson did all the things he's being accused of, why are the Texans allowing him to camp? Wouldn't every other team in the NFL suspend a player for the same extreme allegations until the situation is rectified?

This whole episode hasn't smelled right from the beginning.


But according to wildtigercat93, the NFL's sexual assault policy is stricter than their COVID policy for the unvaccinated! That's what he argued to me until he was blue in the face!


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I’m surprised he’s even there on his own accord considering he wanted traded out


The shoe has migrated to the other foot.


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re: Why are the Texans allowing Watson to camp?
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If Deshaun Watson did all the things he's being accused of, why are the Texans allowing him to camp?


TX Tiger,

I think your answer is in the question. The Texans are going with a “let the process play out” strategy.


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But according to wildtigercat93, the NFL's sexual assault policy is stricter than their COVID policy for the unvaccinated! That's what he argued to me until he was blue in the face!


And you claim to fight for freedom against draconian rules but demand instant punishment for legal allegations without any due process for Watson.

If Watson is convicted I promise you he’ll be punished more than a 14k fine and a few in facility restrictions. And unless everything gets completely dropped and recanted, he’ll still be punished severely for violating the leagues conduct policy

The leagues policy on sexual assault is absolutely stricter and more punitive than the COVID policies they just announced. One is simply way more cut and dry than the other one is. The fact that you’re trying to die on this hill is quite entertaining
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If he was white would he be there... Racism is why he is there.....


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I’m surprised he’s even there on his own accord considering he wanted traded out





Who wants to trade for him, and he doesn't want to lose any more money than he might by being fined like the meme said.


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ThePTExperience1969
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re: Why are the Texans allowing Watson to camp?
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demand instant punishment for legal allegations without any due process for Watson.


No I don't, I'm just exposing your dumbass bullshite

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If Watson is convicted I promise you he’ll be punished more than a 14k fine and a few in facility restrictions.


This isn't a criminal matter anymore as far as I know

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he’ll still be punished severely for violating the leagues conduct policy


Compared to the evidence of the Zeke case, that hasn't happened and probably won't

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The leagues policy on sexual assault is absolutely stricter and more punitive than the COVID policies they just announced.


Keep convincing yourself of that, coronabro

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One is simply way more cut and dry than the other one is.


You say a lot of dumb things but this might be the dumbest and is completely false


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re: Why are the Texans allowing Watson to camp?
I guess because he hasn’t been charged with anything.


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No I don't, I'm just exposing your dumbass bull shite


Watson hasn’t been criminally charged in any of the cases and hasn’t been found guilty in any of the pending legal cases, and you are in here asking for him to be punished or saying he should be punished already or else that means the league is soft of domestic violence issues (or softer than it is on Covid protocols)

You can’t have it both ways.

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This isn't a criminal matter anymore as far as I know


There is an open criminal investigation but no charges yet. so why is the process of the league waiting for the legal charges to develop before handing down a punishment a sign to you that they are weak on DV issues in comparison to their covid policies?

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Compared to the evidence of the Zeke case, that hasn't happened and probably won't




Zeke’s case had far less evidence than Watson does and he got a 6 game suspension for it. You’re making my point stronger here

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You say a lot of dumb things but this might be the dumbest and is completely false


How is punishing a player for domestic violence during a lengthy legal process that takes months to bare out less complicated than setting rules of conduct for unvaccinated players while on team facilities? Please feel to use your big boy words and not just say it’s “dumb”

You’re essentially arguing that the USA is tougher on seatbelt violations than they are on murder because they hand out more seatbelt tickets than murder convictions. That’s the logic you’re using here. I don’t know how you can’t see that concept
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re: Why are the Texans allowing Watson to camp?
Didn’t Cam Newton say “it’s an ongoing investigation?”


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re: Why are the Texans allowing Watson to camp?
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If Deshaun Watson did all the things he's being accused of, why are the Texans allowing him to camp? Wouldn't every other team in the NFL suspend a player for the same extreme allegations until the situation is rectified?

This whole episode hasn't smelled right from the beginning.


1. He's really, really good. Being a top end QB in the league gets you a really long leash.

2. He's black


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I guess because he hasn’t been charged with anything.


Dozens of guys have been suspended without being charged of a crime. Some were never even accused of a crime, just scummy behavior.


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re: Why are the Texans allowing Watson to camp?
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Watson hasn’t been criminally charged in any of the cases and hasn’t been found guilty in any of the pending legal cases, and you are in here asking for him to be punished or saying he should be punished already or else that means the league is soft of domestic violence issues (or softer than it is on Covid protocols)


Way to lie bc I'm not asking for that to happen

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There is an open criminal investigation but no charges yet.


And probably won't be considering they had all this time and resources and did shit, it's not gonna happen, hoss

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so why is the process of the league waiting for the legal charges to develop before handing down a punishment a sign to you that they are weak on DV issues in comparison to their covid policies?


You see the quality of people the NFL allows into their league and their rather spotty history of enforcing their sexual assault policy? Man, this convo is dumb and decreasing my IQ by a lot because of the stupidity you're uttering

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Zeke’s case had far less evidence than Watson does and he got a 6 game suspension for it. You’re making my point stronger here


How? I was responding to this point

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he’ll still be punished severely for violating the leagues conduct policy


Please keep up if your peanut of a brain is capable

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How is punishing a player for domestic violence during a lengthy legal process that takes months to bare out less complicated than setting rules of conduct for unvaccinated players while on team facilities?


Article 46 of the CBA, this isn't rocket science, Sherlock, also considering the precedent Goodell used for Zeke's case, the standard of guilt apparently is pretty low compared to the actual legal process but stupid is as stupid does

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You’re essentially arguing that the USA is tougher on seatbelt violations than they are on murder because they hand out more seatbelt tickets than murder convictions.


Maybe the dumbest analogy ever published in the history of the written word. First off, no one argues against the logic and virtues of seatbelt laws because of the clear danger the roads entail whereas this whole vaccine and segregation between the vaccinated and unvaccinated REGARDING A VACCINE WHICH HASN'T COMPLETED THE NECESSARY APPROVAL PROCESS AND DIRECTLY CAUSED PEOPLE TO DIE is a pretty divisive issue not only in the country but in the NFL largely (but not exclusively) due to the reason I just stated. Moreover, referring to a point I already made in this post, the NFL's history when it comes to sexual assault is spotty at best and pretty inconsistent. The fact the league's letting the process play out regarding Watson and some other players in the past reflects that their rules considering the COVID vaccine is stricter bc those policies implicate regular, normal, everyday conduct which isn't illegal whereas their personal conduct policy implicates conduct which is clearly beyond the pale. Therefore, these highly punitive and arbitrary rules in segregating the vaccinated from the unvaccinated as if they're lepers entail the lowest standard of due process maybe in the history of the world if not absolute liability to the point of forfeiting games and restricting normal, free human behavior whereas the sexual assault policy represents rare if not sporadic enforcement and permissiveness to the point of being a joke policy considering the quality of people the NFL allows in its league and looks the other way in that regard. I know such a concept is hard for you to comprehend but you're a coronabro so I wouldn't expect much more. Enjoy wearing 2 masks on your face, soyboy!
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I’m surprised he’s even there on his own accord considering he wanted traded out


$50k a day fine for not showing up that teams cannot waive under new CBA


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re: Why are the Texans allowing Watson to camp?
Watson definitely shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near training camp.

The NFL needs to step in.


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Watson definitely shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near training camp.

The NFL needs to step in.


They’re too busy enforcing the “less strict” COVID vaccine rules they just imposed to care, let’s be honest


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Way to lie bc I'm not asking for that to happen


Then why are you using Watsons case as a point of comparison for league punishment?

You’re judging the leagues handling of that situation that hasn’t been resolved yet with a situation that is extremely simple to solve and enforce.

If it took months to figure out if a player wore a mask inside of team facilities, then you’d see similar time line as the sexual assault allegations do.

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And probably won't be considering they had all this time and resources and did shit, it's not gonna happen, hoss


If that’s the case, then that’s exactly why the league didn’t hand out immediate punishment when the allegations came out

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You see the quality of people the NFL allows into their league and their rather spotty history of enforcing their sexual assault policy? Man, this convo is dumb and decreasing my IQ by a lot because of the stupidity you're uttering


The league isn’t disallowing any players for not being vaccinated so again this comparison makes no sense

You’re arguing that in facility regulations and small fines are bigger penalties than actual game suspensions. Which is ridiculous

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How? I was responding to this point

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he’ll still be punished severely for violating the leagues conduct policy


Please keep up if your peanut of a brain is capable


How does that change anything? Zeke was punished under the conduct policy and suspended 6 games with less evidence or allegations than Watsons has

Which means that league punishment is nearly certain to come for Watson regardless of how these allegations pan out

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Article 46 of the CBA, this isn't rocket science, Sherlock, also considering the precedent Goodell used for Zeke's case, the standard of guilt apparently is pretty low compared to the actual legal process but stupid is as stupid does


Yes I agree that the league has to power to punish players. But it has also been litigated that they can only punish players for the same offense 1 time in these cases (see Ray Rice) so if they hand down an immediate suspension for the allegations, for example 6 games let’s say, and then Watson gets found guilty, they have to stick with that same suspension.

Thus the league waits for the legal process to bare out before handing out its final decision on punishment

This concept seems lost on you. You claim you don’t want Watson to be punished before he gets due process while at the same time you’re arguing that him not being punished already proves that they don’t have strong policies against domestic violence. Can you not see how those two things completely contradict?

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Maybe the dumbest analogy ever published in the history of the written word. First off, no one argues against the logic and virtues of seatbelt laws because of the clear danger the roads entail whereas this whole vaccine and segregation between the vaccinated and unvaccinated REGARDING A VACCINE WHICH HASN'T COMPLETED THE NECESSARY APPROVAL PROCESS AND DIRECTLY CAUSED PEOPLE TO DIE is a pretty divisive issue not only in the country but in the NFL largely (but not exclusively) due to the reason I just stated.


This is all irrelevant. I wasn’t using that analogy to compare vaccines to seat belts.

I’m using the analogy to compare how punishments are dealt and the correlation of their ability to enforce quickly and efficiently

If a cop sees you without a seatbelt, it’s over. He witnessed the violation, he reported and gave you a ticket for it as punishment. That’s pretty much all there to it

Now If a cop is told you murdered someone, then he opens an investigation to see if there’s enough evidence, then a DA will decide if they are pursuing charges, then you get charged, bailed etc etc. it takes a longggg time to see out that punishment

Now in our situation here, if the league sees you breaking Covid protocols, they hand down the fine and you deal with the punishment from that. It doesn’t matter if you agree the policy is right, that’s simply the policy the league created and can easily enforce

Now if the league gets notice of a sexual assault allegation, they have to do all those steps of their own investigation, they have to wait for the legal process to bare out, and then they decide on final punishment.

In both cases, the more serious offenses come with more serious punishments, and because of that they come with more steps and investigation to determine guilt or intent.

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Moreover, referring to a point I already made in this post, the NFL's history when it comes to sexual assault is spotty at best and pretty inconsistent. The fact the league's letting the process play out regarding Watson and some other players in the past reflects that their rules considering the COVID vaccine is stricter bc those policies implicate regular, normal, everyday conduct which isn't illegal whereas their personal conduct policy implicates conduct which is clearly beyond the pale.


It’s not “stricter” it’s just easier and quicker to enforce. Just like uniform violation, which also aren’t illegal outside of being against NFL policy

If you want to say you disagree with that policy, more power to you. But to pretend like the NFL is harsher on Covid protocols than sexual assault is asinine

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Therefore, these highly punitive and arbitrary rules in segregating the vaccinated from the unvaccinated as if they're lepers entail the lowest standard of due process maybe in the history of the world if not absolute liability to the point of forfeiting games and restricting normal, free human behavior whereas the sexual assault policy represents rare if not sporadic enforcement and permissiveness to the point of being a joke policy considering the quality of people the NFL allows in its league and looks the other way in that regard.


Again you’re comparing results between two things that have drastically different variables and you want execution of a uniform punishment for both sides when that’s simply not possible given how many different ways a legal case can be resolved or pursued

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know such a concept is hard for you to comprehend but you're a coronabro so I wouldn't expect much more. Enjoy wearing 2 masks on your face, soyboy!


Yet again I’ll highlight that none of my posts to you have had any involvement with the righteousness of the leagues policy on non vaccinated players. It’s not really directly related to the point I’m making.


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