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Dr RC
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
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So is A&M going to stop using it? At least yall were all-male


A&M went co-ed in 1963 and stopped requiring make students to join the Corps in 1965. It's not a coincidence that once we opened things up and gained a sizable student base going into the 70s our football success began to no longer coincide with world wars.

Not sure why you even say that we use it as an excuse anymore. We've always said that once the school went co-ed, stopped the Corps requirement, and the NCAA put an end to unlimited scholarships we were able to pass most of the SWC and play even with Texas.
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The Pirate King
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
Hiring a terrible coach that set them back 5 years


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Dr RC
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
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It's young compared to the schools it competes against. FSU doesn't have old money like most other schools do


FSU's foundation can be traced to 1851 though... so... your students had a-hole husbands who wouldn't let their wives work or donate money to FSU?
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Mithridates6
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
Being all-male may have hurt A&M in recruiting, but it's infinitely preferable with business/ networking to being all-female like FSU was. I believe Bryant and Sherrill were signed to huge contracts by A&M


Dr RC
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
A&M got Bryant b/c he was pissed off at Kentucky brass for valuing basketball over football and b/c we made him the AD. That wasn't really a money whip hire.


Jackie was a money whip hire for sure though he was actually a fallback b/c Bo Schembechler turned down a $3m 10 year deal.

But the thing is that probably doesn't happen if the school doesn't make the changes it did in the mid 60s. Notice that Jackie was hired roughly 20 years after the school started it's expansion. They finally had the alumni base to throw money around once it was no longer filled with a ton of military lifers.
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
And jackie came during the period of which our changes to being a major public institution were just starting to be realized


jlnoles79
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
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FSU's foundation can be traced to 1851 though... so... your students had a-hole husbands who wouldn't let their wives work or donate money to FSU?


The evils of sexism held the women who graduated from FSCW back.


jlnoles79
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
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And jackie came during the period of which our changes to being a major public institution were just starting to be realized



He was dirty as hell but I always liked him


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Mithridates6
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
Makes it all the more remarkable what Bobby Bowden was able to do there w/limited tradition/resources and being an independent. He adopted the anyone, anywhere, anytime scheduling philosophy and built a national brand from what I've heard.


jlnoles79
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
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Makes it all the more remarkable what Bobby Bowden was able to do there w/limited tradition/resources and being an independent. He adopted the anyone, anywhere, anytime scheduling philosophy and built a national brand from what I've heard.


Program wasn't even 30 years old when he got there.


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AlonsoWDC
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
What no one realizes is that Taggart would have gotten canned at South Florida if not for Quinton Flowers. Lightning struck and he snagged the Oregon job and fell from there.


jlnoles79
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
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What no one realizes is that Taggart would have gotten canned at South Florida if not for Quinton Flowers. Lightning struck and he snagged the Oregon job and fell from there.



Yep. He was on the brink of getting fired and hit the jackpot with Flowers


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Mithridates6
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
I can't say I feel bad for him after he basically pulled a Kiffin on Oregon (including tampering with recruits). Well, hope it works for yall. Norvell inherited a Memphis program that was already on a roll, but it seems like he elevated it beyond Fuente


AlonsoWDC
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
Building a program from the floor up and elevating it are two separate skill sets.

Fuente's recruiting ensures he never would have reached the sustained highs Norvell got here. Norvell is the real deal.


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Corso
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
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What did he do at USF then?


He's not an elite recruiter but he's good enough that he was able to upgrade the talent after Skip Holtz stripped it and he had some good assistants. And with the job Mario Cristobal is doing at Oregon it doesn't look like Willie was a strong link there either. I also think getting the FSU gave him a big head and he started trying to stick his nose in things he shouldn't have. He hired Harlon Bennett as the DC who has ran nothing but the 4-3 his whole life, and made him switch to a 3-4 last year. A defense Harlon had no idea how to run and a defense that we didn't have the personnel for.


Mithridates6
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
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Program wasn't even 30 years old when he got there.


The 1982 win over FSU is the stuff of legend in LSU history, but we lost most of those regular season games and I think helped y'all build your reputation in the process. I'm guessing the SEC schools regretted scheduling independent Miami and FSU for supposed rent a wins by the mid 80s


jlnoles79
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
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He hired Harlon Bennett as the DC who has ran nothing but the 4-3 his whole life, and made him switch to a 3-4 last year. A defense Harlon had no idea how to run and a defense that we didn't have the personnel for.



I don't think Harlon is great, but the position Willie put him in was disgraceful.


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jlnoles79
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
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The 1982 win over FSU is the stuff of legend in LSU history, but we lost most of those regular season games and I think helped y'all build your reputation in the process. I'm guessing the SEC schools regretted scheduling independent Miami and FSU for supposed rent a wins by the mid 80s


I wasn't old enough to remember those games. I remember the 3 in the late 80's and early 90's. The '91 game at LSU ended up costing FSU the Miami game. FSU has some olinemen go down and it killed them later on. It flooded during that game


Corso
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
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The 1982 win over FSU is the stuff of legend in LSU history


I remember watching that insane brawl in 1990 when I was about 7 with my dad. He simply said "don't fuk with Cajuns"


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Mithridates6
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re: What is wrong with FSU football?
By the early 90s we were David and yall were Goliath; glad I can't remember much of that. I loved watching y'all beat Florida's arse when they ruled the SEC though


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