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We went from having the best regular season in sports with a pretty enjoyable postseason
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:33 am
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:33 am
To having basically 4 teams realistically play over and over again. This system gets suckier and more repetitive it feels like every year.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:35 am to jlovel7
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To having basically 4 teams realistically play over and over again.
Is that college football’s fault?
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This system gets suckier and more repetitive it feels like every year.
It’s been that way before the playoff
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:36 am to I Bleed Garnet
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that college football’s fault?
Committee and media fault
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:38 am to I Bleed Garnet
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Is that college football’s fault?
Ohio State being in and Oklahoma being 6th shows that the committee makes their decisions based on “reputation” and past success. The committee was putting OSU in before the season started no matter what.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:40 am to jlovel7
quote:How does the 4 team playoff have anything to do with that?
We went from having the best regular season in sports with a pretty enjoyable postseason
To having basically 4 teams realistically play over and over again. This system gets suckier and more repetitive it feels like every year.
If we never went to the 4 team, nothing would change. It would still be dominated by Bama/Ohio St/Clemson with other teams getting in here and there...how's it any different?
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:42 am to shel311
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If we never went to the 4 team, nothing would change. It would still be dominated by Bama/Ohio St/Clemson with other teams getting in here and there...how's it any different?
This
Go back to the years of the BCS
It’s the same teams
Not much parity in the sport. i don’t give a frick, i still watch the shite out of it, but the same teams always end up playing for the title
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:43 am to I Bleed Garnet
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Is that college football’s fault?
The system cultivates a league that is without parity.
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It’s been that way before the playoff
Not this bad.
Clemson has been in 6 of the last 7 years.
Alabama the same.
Ohio State 4 of the last 7.
Do we have any other 7 year stretch in CFB history where the exact same teams finished in the top 4 almost every year?
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:44 am to jlovel7
They need to make it 6 to 8 teams. Conference Champs from power 5 conferences and fill the other spots with at large teams. People have been saying that for a while.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:44 am to jlovel7
Well it did keep aTm out of the playoff, so it at least got that part right.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:47 am to I Bleed Garnet
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Go back to the years of the BCS
It’s the same teams
Clemson never played for a BCS title.
Alabama played for 2.
Ohio St for 3.
Florida for 2.
Florida St for 3.
You also had Tennessee, Oregon, USC, Miami, Auburn, Nebraska, Virginia Tech and Texas.
Yeah it’s mostly blue bloods and dynasties go on runs for a few years. But the CFB playoff dominance of Alabama and Clemson plus Oklahoma and Ohio St getting obvious “blue blood” favoritism is unprecedented.
This post was edited on 12/20/20 at 11:49 am
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:48 am to StringedInstruments
quote:How does a 4 team playoff mean less parity than 2 team playoff/championship?
The system cultivates a league that is without parity.
quote:And if we just had a top 2, those same 3 teams would have the most visits in the past decade as well, what's different?
Not this bad.
Clemson has been in 6 of the last 7 years.
Alabama the same.
Ohio State 4 of the last 7.
quote:Even if so, that has nothing to do with a 4 team playoff. Even if it were 2 teams, those same teams would still dominate the top 4.
Do we have any other 7 year stretch in CFB history where the exact same teams finished in the top 4 almost every year?
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:51 am to jlovel7
Many of us said this would happen.
Now people will say go to 8, for superfluous teams that will always get beat in the first round/weekend.
That's wrong too. The series and formula with letting traditional bowls have their traditional conference tie ins was way more interesting.
Now people will say go to 8, for superfluous teams that will always get beat in the first round/weekend.
That's wrong too. The series and formula with letting traditional bowls have their traditional conference tie ins was way more interesting.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:51 am to shel311
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How does a 4 team playoff mean less parity than 2 team playoff/championship?
You’re assuming that the playoff is existing in a vacuum and doesn’t impact college football as a whole. Recruiting has been impacted. The transfer portal has been created. Coaching decisions and hirings have been impacted. Resources. Mindset.
The bowl games have diminished in terms of importance. Players are opting out of finishing seasons with their teams (pre-covid).
The culture of CFB has changed and for the worse. There is zero reason to expect anything to change over the next 2-3 years. We will have Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St/Oklahoma in the playoff every year.
This post was edited on 12/20/20 at 11:53 am
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:54 am to Freauxzen
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Now people will say go to 8, for superfluous teams that will always get beat in the first round/weekend.
If you make it conferences Champs then the conference championship games would be much more compelling and give more teams an opportunity to make the playoffs.
The problem with the current system is success brings more success. Those teams at the top will just keep getting the top recruits because they are at the top.
This post was edited on 12/20/20 at 11:56 am
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:55 am to Choupique19
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Ohio State being in and Oklahoma being 6th shows that the committee makes their decisions based on “reputation” and past success
We don't start with a clean slate for these rankings. Honestly I'd do away with pre season rankings and rankings at all until the first CFP rankings came out. But of course that's not going to happen for a variety of reasons based around money.
But the pre-season rankings based on last year and what we "expect" a team to do can carry a team all year because of a pre existing bias. Ohio State was always going to be a top 5 team pre season and wouldn't matter how well/sloppy they played because they have the preexisting advantage of being a pre season top 5 team.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:55 am to jlovel7
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To having basically 4 teams realistically play over and over again.
This sort of thing happens from time to time in all sports.
One day things will get chaotic and weird but due to the fact that Michigan, Miami, Florida St, USC, Texas and maybe a couple others have all been pretty average during the playoff era, it's created some repetitive playoffs.
Since 2000 the following teams have won the AFC
New England 9 times
Peyton Manning teams 4 times
Pittsburgh 3 times
Ravens 2 times
Raiders 1 time
Chiefs 1 time
Since 99 the following teams have won the Western Conf
Lakers 7 times
Spurs 6 times
Warriors 5 times
Mavericks 2 times
Thunder 1 time
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:56 am to StringedInstruments
quote:you just gave a bunch of "reasons" but never once explained to me how those benefit Bama/OSU/Clemson only and no one else, and on top of that, how all those "reasons" you just gave what not benefit those 3 teams if we had a 2 team championship instead of a 4 game playoff. Can you explain the difference?
You’re assuming that the playoff is existing in a vacuum and doesn’t impact college football as a whole. Recruiting has been impacted. The transfer portal has been created. Coaching decisions and hirings have been impacted. Resources. Mindset.
quote:Why? How does 2 or 4 team postseason have anything to do with all these random other bowl games?
The bowl games have diminished in terms of importance.
quote:That was always going to start happening at some point. Some dude on the 24th ranked team in the season skipping the bowl game would magically decide not to skip if there was no 4 team playoff, why? What's the logic in that?
Players are opting out of finishing seasons with their teams (pre-covid).
quote:Again, explain how those teams wouldn't dominate the championship if it were only 2 teams. I'd argue going only 2 teams and not 4 would actually make it even more difficult for other teams to sneak in as they'd have to get to top 2, instead of just top 4.
We will have Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St/Oklahoma in the playoff every year.
I just feel like everyone is saying lots of things but not once giving a single example of how any of what they're saying has anything to do with a 4 team playoff.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:56 am to Freauxzen
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Now people will say go to 8, for superfluous teams that will always get beat in the first round/weekend.
Who gives a shite if some teams get in that get wrecked in the first round? 4 was ALWAYS stupid. A real playoff means everyone has a legit chance to get it. That's what people want. That is what's best for the health of the sport. Every single other level of football has a playoff that puts in all conference winners.
There is no legitimate excuse for it to be this way. The only reason it's this way is b/c about 50 or so old fricks who run bowls want to continue to have their asses kissed.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:57 am to JoeHackett
quote:Right, we're just in a period of having a couple of dominant schools. That was going to happen whether there were 2 or 16 team playoffs at the end of the season.
This sort of thing happens from time to time in all sports.
Posted on 12/20/20 at 11:59 am to jlovel7
I’d rather have the illusion of parity with an expanded playoff than be force fed the same shite sandwich every single season. Every other level of football has expanded playoffs, I’m not sure why having a larger playoff would be so horrible for college football.
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