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We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55


And it’s not really close. I’d say 65% Brady 35% bill.
re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by Dubosed
on 9/22/23 at 3:18 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55

How many times we gonna do this thread?
re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by lsuguy84
on 9/22/23 at 3:19 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55



re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by VermilionTiger
on 9/22/23 at 3:19 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55

On a Friday? You’re doing this on a Friday?
Hopefully no one entertains this stupid ESPN like thread
Hopefully no one entertains this stupid ESPN like thread
re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by JerryTheKingBawler
on 9/22/23 at 3:21 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55


re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by Spelt it rong
on 9/22/23 at 3:21 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55

Good QBs need good coaches.
Good coaches need good QBs.
Good QBs need good lines.
Good QBs and good coaches need good defenses.
Good QBs and good coaches need good special teams.
Good QBs and good coaches need good luck..
It's never as simple as you're all trying to make it.
Good coaches need good QBs.
Good QBs need good lines.
Good QBs and good coaches need good defenses.
Good QBs and good coaches need good special teams.
Good QBs and good coaches need good luck..
It's never as simple as you're all trying to make it.
re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by shel311
on 9/22/23 at 3:28 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55

You could have admitted that anytime over the past 20 years.
re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by nicholastiger
on 9/22/23 at 3:30 pm to Spelt it rong


So far you could make same case for Sean Payton?
What has he done without Brees?
Not to mention some of the terrible defenses he oversaw.
What has he done without Brees?
Not to mention some of the terrible defenses he oversaw.
re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by htran90
on 9/22/23 at 3:37 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55

some of yal are insufferable.
Brady had a 3 year stretch from 2012-2014 where he put up some not-elite numbers, very kirk cousins esque
- average passing yards
- high volumes
- shite OL
- 2 solid receivers (gronk & welker)
and everyone thought his career was on a downhill slide.
Brady had a 3 year stretch from 2012-2014 where he put up some not-elite numbers, very kirk cousins esque
- average passing yards
- high volumes
- shite OL
- 2 solid receivers (gronk & welker)
and everyone thought his career was on a downhill slide.
re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by TigerMan327
on 9/22/23 at 3:43 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55

Brady went his entire career with elite defenses. Rodgers, Manning, Brees only had them a handful of times.
Any of the three quarterbacks mentioned above would have had multiple super bowls with Brady’s teams. Brady on the other hand would not have multiple on their teams.
Brady is GOAT. But without Bill he’s probably just a borderline top 5 QB
Any of the three quarterbacks mentioned above would have had multiple super bowls with Brady’s teams. Brady on the other hand would not have multiple on their teams.
Brady is GOAT. But without Bill he’s probably just a borderline top 5 QB
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re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by shel311
on 9/22/23 at 3:43 pm to nicholastiger

quote:Check Sean Payton's record without Brees, then check Belichick's record without Brady.
So far you could make same case for Sean Payton?
What has he done without Brees?
re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by Tigertown in ATL
on 9/22/23 at 3:49 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55

Based on the Patriots record when the opponent scores more than 24, I don’t think it’s a much Brady as I would have thought.
re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
on 9/22/23 at 3:51 pm to lsuguy84


re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by Boodis Man on 9/22/23 at 4:00 pm to TigerMan327
quote:
Brady went his entire career with elite defenses. Rodgers, Manning, Brees only had them a handful of times.
So? Brady should not be faulted because the defense played much harder for him knowing they are probably going to win if they give him the ball back
re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by Heinrich H on 9/22/23 at 4:01 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
It's not debatable.
re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by Anfield Road
on 9/22/23 at 4:10 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55

First two Super Bowls were Bill's. Last 4 were Tom's. Brady was just a game manager for the first two Super Bowls and didn't become elite until the 3rd one.
This post was edited on 9/22 at 4:10 pm
re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by DownSouthCrawfish
on 9/22/23 at 4:10 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55

Brady didn’t coach defense
re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan on 9/22/23 at 4:28 pm to Anfield Road
quote:
First two Super Bowls were Bill's. Last 4 were Tom's. Brady was just a game manager for the first two Super Bowls and didn't become elite until the 3rd one.
Brady threw over 350 yards and 3 TDs against the Panthers.
re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by Johnny Roastbeef
on 9/22/23 at 4:40 pm to nicholastiger

quote:
So far you could make same case for Sean Payton? What has he done without Brees?
5-0 with Bridgewater
9-8 with Winston, Taysom, Trevor Simeon and Ian Book
re: We can admit it was more Brady than bill now right?Posted by lsufanva
on 9/22/23 at 4:50 pm to TigerMan327

That Tampa title ruins your argument.
I'm a Peyton guy but he had considerably better offensive talent throughout his career than Brady in a league built around QBs and offenses.
I'm a Saints guy, Brees had better talent around him than Brady.
Rodgers is just overrated. Couldn't win big games.
Any argument in the world can be made in football except that Tom Brady isnt the goat. He's got more titles individually than any franchise in history. Ifs aren't an argument. They are excuses.
I'm a Peyton guy but he had considerably better offensive talent throughout his career than Brady in a league built around QBs and offenses.
I'm a Saints guy, Brees had better talent around him than Brady.
Rodgers is just overrated. Couldn't win big games.
Any argument in the world can be made in football except that Tom Brady isnt the goat. He's got more titles individually than any franchise in history. Ifs aren't an argument. They are excuses.
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