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Virginia football re: George Welsh
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:03 pm
I enjoy the discussions on here about how great of a coach Bill Snyder is. He has managed to win consistently at KSU, and is the only guy to have done so in Manhattan. Because of that, he is in conversations with the best of the best as far as coaching ability, despite not winning a natty.
I remember when I was growing up, Virginia Cavaliers football was pretty good. Under George Welsh, they shared a couple of ACC crowns, had a memorable victory over FSU in 1995, beat down inaugural Big 12 Champ Texas on prime time in '96. They achieved a number 1 ranking in 1990 before a loss to Georgia Tech sent them into a tailspin...but they did go to the Sugar Bowl. He also had the great Aaron Brooks as qb.
UVa was trash prior to Welsh, and save for a couple of good years with Groh, they've pretty much sucked since.
How good of a coach was Welsh?
I remember when I was growing up, Virginia Cavaliers football was pretty good. Under George Welsh, they shared a couple of ACC crowns, had a memorable victory over FSU in 1995, beat down inaugural Big 12 Champ Texas on prime time in '96. They achieved a number 1 ranking in 1990 before a loss to Georgia Tech sent them into a tailspin...but they did go to the Sugar Bowl. He also had the great Aaron Brooks as qb.
UVa was trash prior to Welsh, and save for a couple of good years with Groh, they've pretty much sucked since.
How good of a coach was Welsh?
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Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:07 pm to TexasTiger08
UVA is a really difficult place to win. The high academic standards of Notre Dame but without the financial commitment to winning. The best thing that could of happened to UVA is for VT to whiff on the post-Beamer coaching hire. Unfortunately they may have hit a home run in Fuentes.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:08 pm to TexasTiger08
Welsh was just a damn good coach. A coach like Snyder you'd wonder what he would have done at a powerhouse program
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:11 pm to jcole4lsu
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UVA is a really difficult place to win. The high academic standards of Notre Dame but without the financial commitment to winning. The best thing that could of happened to UVA is for VT to whiff on the post-Beamer coaching hire. Unfortunately they may have hit a home run in Fuentes.
Gonna be tough for VT to hold on to Fuente
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:11 pm to TexasTiger08
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, beat down inaugural Big 12 Champ Texas on prime time in '96.
The only good thing about that Texas team was beating Nebraska and somehow winning the Big XII Championship.
We lost all other games against ranked opponents (Notre Dame, Virginia, Penn State, and Colorado) and to Oklahoma.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:14 pm to jcole4lsu
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UVA is a really difficult place to win. The high academic standards of Notre Dame but without the financial commitment to winning. The best thing that could of happened to UVA is for VT to whiff on the post-Beamer coaching hire. Unfortunately they may have hit a home run in Fuentes.
Yep. The fan support there is also abysmal. No one goes to the games. Throughout the state, it is clear that Virginia Tech garners most of the support.
The state of Virginia puts out some really good talent though. Virginia Tech has just been getting pretty much all of it for decades now. Sadly for old Virginia, that doesn't look to be changing.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:15 pm to Grandioso
They had the ND game won, but pissed it away.
The UT-Virginia game in Austin the year before was a good one.
The '96 Longhorns were talented, but only seemed to show it in spurts.
I believe the arse whooping in Charlottesville was on a rainy night and Tiki Barber went nuts.
The UT-Virginia game in Austin the year before was a good one.
The '96 Longhorns were talented, but only seemed to show it in spurts.
I believe the arse whooping in Charlottesville was on a rainy night and Tiki Barber went nuts.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:20 pm to TexasTiger08
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The UT-Virginia game in Austin the year before was a good one.
It was. Phillip Dawson drained a 50 something yard field goal as time expired for the Texas win.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:41 pm to Grandioso
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It was. Phillip Dawson drained a 50 something yard field goal as time expired for the Texas win.
UVA got revenge in Cville the next year
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:25 pm to TexasTiger08
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hey achieved a number 1 ranking in 1990 before a loss to Georgia Tech sent them into a tailspin...but they did go to the Sugar Bowl.
How the frick did that happen anyhow? GT won the ACC and got stuck in the Citrus while UVA finished third and got to play in the Sugar.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:25 pm to Grandioso
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The only good thing about that Texas team was beating Nebraska
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:45 pm to jcole4lsu
Those standards were pretty lax during the Ahmad Brooks days. Two of my high school teammates ended up on scholarship at UVA. One had the grades for Radford, the other had no business in a college classroom (but ended up in the league)
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:48 pm to TexasTiger08
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How good of a coach was Welsh?
Good enough to win at Navy.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:02 pm to Korin
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How the frick did that happen anyhow? GT won the ACC and got stuck in the Citrus while UVA finished third and got to play in the Sugar.
ACC champ went to the Citrus back then
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:25 pm to SM6
Eugene Monroe seems smart
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:40 pm to Grandioso
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Yep. The fan support there is also abysmal. No one goes to the games. Throughout the state, it is clear that Virginia Tech garners most of the support.
bullshite. The fan support for ANY school with the recent history and records that UVA has endured would be very similar (on a percentage basis). The fact of the matter is, UVA has consistent fan support over all it's athletics base. Go look at fan support for basketball (consistent ACC contenders and NCAA tourney bids and John Paul Jones Arena construction) or baseball (National Champs and ballpark upgrades year after year). The fans will come with winning and that doesn't change over night. VPISU has had consistent success for over the past 15 years. Of course, they are going to have bigger fan support right now.
Back on topic: the UVA fan base got spoiled with Welsh. It's like Mark Richt at Georgia. They got tired of 8-4, 9-3 seasons.
I am hoping with the new President (who has emphasized that he loves UVA athletics) and new AD (TBD), we will get some additional support for Bronco Mendenhall and his staff. It starts with financial backing and additional/newer facilities.
ETA: All that being said. He's no Snyder but he's a great one
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:57 pm to jlnoles79
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ACC champ went to the Citrus back then
Damn, the ACC got shafted until the Bowl Coalition started.
80 Bluebonnet
81 Orange
82 Cotton (Clemson declined and didn't play in a bowl at all)
83 Citrus
84 Sun
85 Cherry
86 Gator
87 Citrus
88 Citrus
89 Citrus
90 Citrus
91 Citrus
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:24 am to Korin
There is no reason why both Tech and UVa can't both be successful at the same time. UVa just doesn't have the right commitment to football right there. I think that they believe to a certain extent that you cannot have a very successful football program in today's world and do it the right way to keep their pristine image.
If Vandy and Stanford can do it though then so can UVa. I think the jury is still out at this point about Bronco Mendenhall. He is a good football coach but it was such an odd hire to begin with. He hasn't hired anyone with any local ties aside from Marques Hagans to help with recruit the area either.
Craig Littlepage was tremendous for the non-revenue sports (plus basketball and baseball) but he was abysmal for football. Hopefully with a new AD he can finally get some of the alumni base to pony up to give the football program what it takes to be successful.
If Vandy and Stanford can do it though then so can UVa. I think the jury is still out at this point about Bronco Mendenhall. He is a good football coach but it was such an odd hire to begin with. He hasn't hired anyone with any local ties aside from Marques Hagans to help with recruit the area either.
Craig Littlepage was tremendous for the non-revenue sports (plus basketball and baseball) but he was abysmal for football. Hopefully with a new AD he can finally get some of the alumni base to pony up to give the football program what it takes to be successful.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 8:14 am to TexasTiger08
Groh recruited pretty well there for a hot minute, so it's been shown that it can be done. Not sure if academic standards for athletes has changed since then though.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 8:29 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Groh recruited pretty well there for a hot minute, so it's been shown that it can be done. Not sure if academic standards for athletes has changed since then though.
Groh got some players, but they were also kicking out an outrageous number of players for not being able to cut it academically. Like 3-4 starters per semester, it seemed like. The recruiting backfired, in a way.
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