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USC and Oklahoma are two examples of why I don't think Wash should make it
Posted on 11/22/16 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 11/22/16 at 11:40 pm
To the playoffs. If both of these teams would've scheduled cupcakes like Washington instead of Bama and Ohio State, they'd probably be top 5 right now. If Washington gets in over teams like PSU, Wisconsin, or Oklahoma, who actually played someone in non conference you have to wonder if teams will be hesitant to schedule these big games in the future since they seem too high risk low reward. I mean come on, Washington's best non conf game was against Rutgers. The same Rutgers team who has been out scored 224-0 against Mich, OSU, MSU, and PSU.
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Posted on 11/22/16 at 11:42 pm to zzgobucky
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The same Rutgers team who has been out scored 224-0 against Mich, OSU, MSU, and PSU.
Holy shite is that for real?
Posted on 11/22/16 at 11:57 pm to zzgobucky
There is absolutely no benefit to scheduling good OOC teams, USC and Oklahoma are victims of their own ambition. As long as this is the system of determining a champion, you would have to be moronic to schedule an OOC you could even possibly lose.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 12:04 am to zzgobucky
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To the playoffs. If both of these teams would've scheduled cupcakes like Washington instead of Bama and Ohio State, they'd probably be top 5 right now
Do you realize that USC has 2 conference losses? They could have scheduled 3 FCS teams and still be ranked behind UW right now. They probably won't even win the Pac-12 south. Substitute Colorado for USC in your subject line and you have a better argument.
That being said, if there were power rankings that rated based on recent performance, USC would be in the top 5. Also, UW's OOC schedule is pathetic. But if they can go 9-1 in conference games and win the Pac-12, then they deserve to get in.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 12:24 am to zzgobucky
Without a true playoff or one where the sampling is considerably larger than 2 or 4, the system is flawed. The BCS was tweaked after UW was left out in 2000. Then, strength of schedule was not a big factor but margin of victory was. that UW team beat 3 teams that ended in the top 10, including a very good Miami team. UW lost to Oregon, when no one knew Oregon was any good. UW won the Rose Bowl (and beat the Fiesta Bowl and Orange Bowl champs) and ended #3.
Sadly, UWs OOC schedule has always been tops...often too much so. Thanks to 7 win Steve, the schedule was dumbed down. And we will be again part of a flawed system.
Sadly, UWs OOC schedule has always been tops...often too much so. Thanks to 7 win Steve, the schedule was dumbed down. And we will be again part of a flawed system.
This post was edited on 11/23/16 at 12:25 am
Posted on 11/23/16 at 12:28 am to LawDawg1
Wisconsin is 1-2 vs ranked teams. Washington is 2-1 vs ranked teams. I hope zzbucky gets hit by a car. Braindead moron homer. Wisconsin's only decent win was vs. a team that lost by 904543290904329043 points to Ohio State.
Wisconsin played Akron, Georgia State and Trash LSU non-conference. OH WHAT A TOUGH NON-CONFERENCE SCHEDULE!
Wisconsin played Akron, Georgia State and Trash LSU non-conference. OH WHAT A TOUGH NON-CONFERENCE SCHEDULE!
This post was edited on 11/23/16 at 12:32 am
Posted on 11/23/16 at 1:39 am to zzgobucky
For perspective, here's each school and their SOS according to the old BCS formula:
School - winning % - SOS rank
Oklahoma - .818 - 25
Washington - .909 - 39
Colorado - .818 - 14
USC - .727 - 11
This will play itself out. If Washington beats Wazzu and Colorado, they'll be ranked solidly ahead of Oklahoma, and with good reason. USC has three losses, so I'm not taking them too seriously in this discussion. If Colorado beats Utah and Washington, they should be ranked ahead of Oklahoma (better record, tougher schedule...that's gotta count for just about everything, right?).
School - winning % - SOS rank
Oklahoma - .818 - 25
Washington - .909 - 39
Colorado - .818 - 14
USC - .727 - 11
This will play itself out. If Washington beats Wazzu and Colorado, they'll be ranked solidly ahead of Oklahoma, and with good reason. USC has three losses, so I'm not taking them too seriously in this discussion. If Colorado beats Utah and Washington, they should be ranked ahead of Oklahoma (better record, tougher schedule...that's gotta count for just about everything, right?).
Posted on 11/23/16 at 1:42 am to ballscaster
It might play itself out.
But it is disheartening to UW fans...as we've seen replies...
That they lost their first big game.
And it was at home...and to a 3-loss team.
But it is disheartening to UW fans...as we've seen replies...
That they lost their first big game.
And it was at home...and to a 3-loss team.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 1:48 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Weird argument considering Clemson and Michigan both lost to unranked 4 loss teams.....
This post was edited on 11/23/16 at 1:50 am
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:06 am to LawDawg1
Some voter said the Pac Champ must be undefeated to make the playoff...there's a feeling the conference sort of stinks. I do wonder if the committee will take this into account.
That the traditional Pac-12 powers sort of stink...and a forever dog like Colorado is king.
I still think UW lost major style points losing to USC. Big name despite record. In a crappy conference, style matters.
That was the one game that mattered most.
They lost their beauty pageant on National TV.
Big name, style points. Who cares that you beat Arizona by 7 points and Rutgers?
That the traditional Pac-12 powers sort of stink...and a forever dog like Colorado is king.
I still think UW lost major style points losing to USC. Big name despite record. In a crappy conference, style matters.
That was the one game that mattered most.
They lost their beauty pageant on National TV.
Big name, style points. Who cares that you beat Arizona by 7 points and Rutgers?
This post was edited on 11/23/16 at 2:09 am
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:19 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Some voter said the Pac Champ must be undefeated to make the playoff...there's a feeling the conference sort of stinks. I do wonder if the committee will take this into account.
Half of the conference is ranked in the top 25.
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That was the one game that mattered most.
They lost their beauty pageant on National TV.
I think the Stanford game was more important. UW was trying to legitimize the hype. National TV against a top 10 ranked Stanford team at the time, and it was the only game on that Friday night. That performance propelled UW into the national spotlight as a legit contender.
I felt going into the USC game that it could end up being meaningless. I felt that UW could lose the game and still make the playoffs. If UW wins out, absolute worst case is the Rose Bowl, which every UW fan would still be thrilled with. UW just needs to take care of business.
This post was edited on 11/23/16 at 2:21 am
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:23 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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That was the one game that mattered most.
This is so dumb. What if they lost to crappy Oregon and beat USC? Every game counts. When you have cupcake OOC games, you can't drop games in conference, or if you do, do it early (Alabama in 2012 and Ohio St. in 2014 I know this one was an OOC).
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and a forever dog like Colorado is king.
This is good for the Pac-12. What was Oregon before 1994? The rise of Colorado will be good for the conference as a whole. Just means one of the blue bloods will have to step down (better get your shite together Oregon!).
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:28 am to TheWalrus
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There is absolutely no benefit to scheduling good OOC teams
Wrong
Ohio State may get into the playoffs without winning their own division this year because they played a conference champion OOC in a home and home
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:37 am to zzgobucky
Nothing against UW...
but they lost to a team that lost to Bama by 50 points.
Why would the committee ever take them?
It's all about perception. Losing to USC at home was a death knell considering the poor rep of the Pac.
IDK...but UW needs real help. They now have the old Boise State factor again.
but they lost to a team that lost to Bama by 50 points.
Why would the committee ever take them?
It's all about perception. Losing to USC at home was a death knell considering the poor rep of the Pac.
IDK...but UW needs real help. They now have the old Boise State factor again.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:39 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
lol. Wow. Ok.....
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:44 am to zzgobucky
Washington St will beat them so it doesn't matter
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:54 am to zzgobucky
idk
If UW is worthy.t
But my opinion is what the committee will do.
If UW is worthy.t
But my opinion is what the committee will do.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:20 am to LawDawg1
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UW lost to Oregon, when no one knew Oregon was any good.
Oregon was a top 20 team in 99. Plenty people knew they weren't some slouch including Udub.
I was at that game.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 4:49 am to TheWalrus
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There is absolutely no benefit to scheduling good OOC teams, USC and Oklahoma are victims of their own ambition. As long as this is the system of determining a champion, you would have to be moronic to schedule an OOC you could even possibly lose.
Disagree. I could easily say the reason Ohio St is safe if they win out but don't win the Big Ten, then they're still in. I also think it's the reason Clemson isn't being lumped in with the likes of Washington.
Those OOC games (I hope) are looked at extremely highly in the committee's eyes.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 5:14 am to FootballNostradamus
The media says there's no "brand hype" but we're talking about USC and Oklahoma making the playoff.
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