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re: Tua named Dolphins starting QB for next week per Schefter
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:05 pm to Upperdecker
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:05 pm to Upperdecker
Stop using QBR as a real stat
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Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:11 pm to castorinho
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At what point will it be ok for you?
And why do you think the people that have actually shelled the money for him are disregarding that?
Do you really not understand why everyone thinks it a strange time to throw Tua into a starting role? The dolphins are only 1 game back
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:18 pm to Ed Osteen
quote:I replied to the guy talking about his health.
Do you really not understand why everyone thinks it a strange time to throw Tua into a starting role? The dolphins are only 1 game back
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:24 pm to castorinho
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replied to the guy talking about his health.
His health is relevant to the discussion. He’s had two major injuries in the last two years.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:33 pm to RB10
His first game will be 11/1/20, he got injured 11/16/19, let’s just say he’s had a year to recover and not be so dramatic.
If his hip is fully healed, structurally sound, no pain, cleared to play, then what’s the point of waiting? The organization seems to have a strong FO and coaching staff, but the future is Tua. If he can’t stay healthy, I’d rather know that sooner. Or if he can’t play, same deal. They’ve given it 6 weeks plus a bye, that’s not rushing him back. I’d say that’s being responsible to make up for no preseason.
Delaying the evaluation of Tua to potentially go 8-8 with Fitzmagic and lose in the wildcard round doesn’t seem like the smart play for an organization that’s planning for the future.
If his hip is fully healed, structurally sound, no pain, cleared to play, then what’s the point of waiting? The organization seems to have a strong FO and coaching staff, but the future is Tua. If he can’t stay healthy, I’d rather know that sooner. Or if he can’t play, same deal. They’ve given it 6 weeks plus a bye, that’s not rushing him back. I’d say that’s being responsible to make up for no preseason.
Delaying the evaluation of Tua to potentially go 8-8 with Fitzmagic and lose in the wildcard round doesn’t seem like the smart play for an organization that’s planning for the future.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:36 pm to lob1284
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His first game will be 11/1/20, he got injured 11/16/19, let’s just say he’s had a year to recover and not be so dramatic.
So, less than a year. Got it.
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If his hip is fully healed, structurally sound, no pain, cleared to play, then what’s the point of waiting? The organization seems to have a strong FO and coaching staff, but the future is Tua. If he can’t stay healthy, I’d rather know that sooner. Or if he can’t play, same deal. They’ve given it 6 weeks plus a bye, that’s not rushing him back. I’d say that’s being responsible to make up for no preseason.
That’s a lot of “ifs” to be asking when making a QB change while you’re in contention.
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Delaying the evaluation of Tua to potentially go 8-8 with Fitzmagic and lose in the wildcard round doesn’t seem like the smart play for an organization that’s planning for the future.
Rushing the evaluation of Tua to potentially go 5-11 and miss the playoffs isn’t a smart play for any organization.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:38 pm to wildtigercat93
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Stop using QBR as a real stat
Don’t act like it’s not a good stat. Look at the current rankings and past history of it and compare to any other total measurement. It’s not perfect but it’s a pretty good stat for ranking QBs
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:41 pm to RB10
Lol it’s not “what if”, there are things called doctors and X-rays and tests and medical precedent that give teams ability to make informed decisions. You have to assume all those things are true since he’s playing.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:43 pm to Upperdecker
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Don’t act like it’s not a good stat. Look at the current rankings and past history of it and compare to any other total measurement. It’s not perfect but it’s a pretty good stat for ranking QBs
Charlie Batch nulls the stat of any relevance
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:45 pm to RB10
quote:sounds like they'd rather get him some experience this year so next year he's not starting from scratch. They view that as more valuable than getting to the playoffs, considering they're still not that likely to make the playoffs even with Fitzmagic.
Rushing the evaluation of Tua to potentially go 5-11 and miss the playoffs isn’t a smart play for any organization.
For me, either way, there's a decent argument. But people acting like this is outrageous are being overly dramatic.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:45 pm to lob1284
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Lol it’s not “what if”, there are things called doctors and X-rays and tests and medical precedent that give teams ability to make informed decisions. You have to assume all those things are true since he’s playing.
Those same doctors and x-rays and tests and medical precedent clear players sooner than they should all the time.
Again, are we seriously pretending like the NFL doesn't have players return too quickly all the time? It's like you people don't even follow the sport.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:49 pm to castorinho
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sounds like they'd rather get him some experience this year so next year he's not starting from scratch. They view that as more valuable than getting to the playoffs, considering they're still not that likely to make the playoffs even with Fitzmagic.
Yes it sounds like they had a plan coming into the season. That doesn't make this move any less odd given the circumstances.
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For me, either way, there's a decent argument. But people acting like this is outrageous are being overly dramatic.
The only people being dramatic are the ones flipping out because others are bringing up the injury history of a player who's had issues in that area.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:50 pm to RB10
It’s been a year. In your opinion how long does he need to recover for this not to be rushed? Since you know better than the people who decided he’s clear to play.
And I get what you’re saying, but to me that applies more to examples like last year bringing Saquon back too soon in a season when he’s recovering from a high ankle sprain. We’re talking about an injury from college in which Tua has 11.5 months to recover.
And I get what you’re saying, but to me that applies more to examples like last year bringing Saquon back too soon in a season when he’s recovering from a high ankle sprain. We’re talking about an injury from college in which Tua has 11.5 months to recover.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:50 pm to wildtigercat93
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Charlie Batch nulls the stat of any relevance
This is why stats require minimum thresholds. And I’m talking about on a season basis not a game basis. One outlier doesn’t change the fact that QBR does a good job of identifying which QBs are playing well and which benefit from talent around them
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:52 pm to lob1284
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It’s been a year. In your opinion how long does he need to recover for this not to be rushed? Since you know better than the people who decided he’s clear to play
Longer than 6 games when your team is 3-3 with a QB performing at a top 10 level.
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And I get what you’re saying, but to me that applies more to examples like last year bringing Saquon back too soon in a season when he’s recovering from a high ankle sprain. We’re talking about an injury from college in which Tua has 11.5 months to recover.
Because injuries from college don't ever linger?
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:55 pm to RB10
If you’re that worried about an injury from a year ago that you’re too scared to play him, then why even draft him in the first place. That’s sort of my point. I’m not tricking myself that Ryan Fitzpatrick is a top 10 QB so I have an excuse not to “rush” back my top 5 pick who’s been cleared to play for months.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:59 pm to lob1284
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If you’re that worried about an injury from a year ago that you’re too scared to play him, then why even draft him in the first place. That’s sort of my point.
For the future, no? Isn't that your entire argument? The future doesn't have to begin halfway through the 2020 season, which is my point.
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I’m not tricking myself that Ryan Fitzpatrick is a top 10 QB so I have an excuse not to “rush” back my top 5 pick who’s been cleared to play for months.
You don't have to trick yourself. He is top 10 so far this year.
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 10/20/20 at 1:07 pm to RB10
So let’s say Dolphins go 8-8 with Fitz, make the playoffs, Fitz finishes the year as a top 10 qb..... Fitz has to be starter next year right?
You said hypothetically they wouldn’t want to go 5-11 with Tua, which means Tua would be 2-8 this year. Seems like there’s no way Fitz isn’t starter next year right. Can’t turn off from a top 10 qb starter for a team on the rise?
You said hypothetically they wouldn’t want to go 5-11 with Tua, which means Tua would be 2-8 this year. Seems like there’s no way Fitz isn’t starter next year right. Can’t turn off from a top 10 qb starter for a team on the rise?
Posted on 10/20/20 at 1:14 pm to lob1284
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So let’s say Dolphins go 8-8 with Fitz, make the playoffs, Fitz finishes the year as a top 10 qb..... Fitz has to be starter next year right?
No. He may be retiring for all we know.
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You said hypothetically they wouldn’t want to go 5-11 with Tua, which means Tua would be 2-8 this year. Seems like there’s no way Fitz isn’t starter next year right. Can’t turn off from a top 10 qb starter for a team on the rise?
I said they would potentially go 5-11 with Tua. They could also go 5-11 with Fitz, though it's much less likely. On the flip side they're much more likely to have success this season with Fitz at the helm the rest of the way.
If they want to make the switch and potentially torpedo a surprisingly competitive 2020 season be my guest. Let's just stop acting like it isn't odd timing to make this move.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 1:31 pm to ReauxlTide222
Only way this makes sense is if they got some decent interest from other teams for Fitz. Other than that, there's no reason to rush Tua except for maybe ticket sales which every team is going to take a hit on this year regardless so I don't really see that as a selling point either
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