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The NFL doesn’t know what is a catch
Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:36 am
Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:36 am
I was watching Bengals/Titans when that int came up. While they were reviewing that play, Gene Steratore, a former nfl ref, was called upon by the announcers to give his expert opinion. He said that according to him, it should be an incomplete pass. The ref who review the play said that it was an int. So two different rulings based on the same review.
Now, if we showed that play to 10 different refs independently, would we get 10 incomplete or 10 interception ruling? Probably not. We’d get some kind of 5/5 or 6/4 split. Just shows that ruling it a catch or no catch is based on individual interpretation of the refs. No one knows what’s going on.
Now, if we showed that play to 10 different refs independently, would we get 10 incomplete or 10 interception ruling? Probably not. We’d get some kind of 5/5 or 6/4 split. Just shows that ruling it a catch or no catch is based on individual interpretation of the refs. No one knows what’s going on.
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Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:43 am to PeteRose
quote:Sounds...inconclusive
Now, if we showed that play to 10 different refs independently, would we get 10 incomplete or 10 interception ruling? Probably not. We’d get some kind of 5/5 or 6/4 split.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:52 am to beaverfever
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Sounds...inconclusive
Yep. And that's the point so many people don't fully grasp.
Once the play is called on the field, there has to be conclusive evidence that the call on the field was wrong to overturn it.
This leaves a good bit of room for interpretation, and not everyone is going to see it the same.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:01 am to PeteRose
Any moron off the street can tell the Titans pick was helped by the ball hitting the ground. He trapped it.
Making so many rules that almost everything can go either way, allows the NFL to better fix games for who they want to win.
Making so many rules that almost everything can go either way, allows the NFL to better fix games for who they want to win.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:03 am to PeteRose
It was called an INT on the field
You can’t overturn that call
You can’t overturn that call
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:05 am to VermilionTiger
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It was called an INT on the field You can’t overturn that call
Unless, you know, the ball hit the fcuking GROUND.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:06 am to VermilionTiger
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It was called an INT on the field You can’t overturn that call
Sure you can, when the replay clearly shows that the ball hit and was dragged across the ground. You can't catch a ball that hits the ground first.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:11 am to PeteRose
The ball 100% hit the ground.
Nothing else matters.
Incomplete.
Nothing else matters.
Incomplete.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:12 am to AtlantaLSUfan
I don't understand this rationalization that if you control the ball, but the contact with the ground is incidental, it's a catch. Uh, no, that's a trap to me no matter how you slice it.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:13 am to VermilionTiger
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It was called an INT on the field You can’t overturn that call
Here is the problem with that, refs are being conditioned to let the play on the field go and then review. So, they are scared to call incomplete in these instances and those are hard to overturn.
I thought the whole replay thing was to get calls right and this strategy doesn't help that.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:13 am to gumbo2176
I don't get it.
The tip of the ball kicked up grass when he "caught" it. You could see it in the replay. If a receiver's foot kicks up grass on a pass going out of bounds, it counts as contact with the ground occurred to mean in bounds. Why didn't that same contact with a ball count as contact with the ground.
What is the rule in that situation? Just seemed like everyone commentating gave their feeling on how THEY THINK it would go rather than quoting an actual rule. How is that supposed to work?
I just feel like rules are too subjective these days, and refs just pull rulings out of their arse.
The tip of the ball kicked up grass when he "caught" it. You could see it in the replay. If a receiver's foot kicks up grass on a pass going out of bounds, it counts as contact with the ground occurred to mean in bounds. Why didn't that same contact with a ball count as contact with the ground.
What is the rule in that situation? Just seemed like everyone commentating gave their feeling on how THEY THINK it would go rather than quoting an actual rule. How is that supposed to work?
I just feel like rules are too subjective these days, and refs just pull rulings out of their arse.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:14 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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Unless, you know, the ball hit the fcuking GROUND.
Which it can do as long as the player has control before it touched the ground. It was so close and with the call on the field being INT, it was going to be hard to overturn it.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:20 am to 33inNC
Yep, they need to get rid of the wording that says you need conclusive evidence to overturn. The play should be reviewed independently of what was called on the field.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:21 am to PeteRose
Dez caught it
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:23 am to PeteRose
They took what should be cut and dry, and in typical NFL fashion screwed it up. It’s simple, ball touches ground to pick. If he had a hand underneath it maybe you have an argument but keep it simple instead of the refs interpretation.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:25 am to i am dan
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I don't get it.
The tip of the ball kicked up grass when he "caught" it. You could see it in the replay.
It can touch the ground and still be a completion.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:25 am to The Torch
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Dez caught it
Then took 3 steps, switched it to one hand and almost scored.
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 9:27 am
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:34 am to PeteRose
Now explain why a catch is anything other than possession with 2 feet down, not this football move bullshite
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:35 am to AtlantaLSUfan
quote:Wait, so all those arbitrary rules based solely on refs' interpretation, AREN'T for the players' safety?
Making so many rules that almost everything can go either way, allows the NFL to better fix games for who they want to win.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:40 am to gumbo2176
People here cannot stop bitching about the refs no matter what.
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