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re: The Herd: LeBron Most "Valuable" Player...numbers don't lie
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:03 pm to RTR America
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:03 pm to RTR America
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You aren't?
All the players LeBron made better were truly no name scrubs and even after LeBron departed CLE the first time no one was lining up to sign those scrubs. No one outside Clevland will be lining up to sign max contracts to Delly, Shump, TT, hell JR couldn't get a contract last summer.
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 2:06 pm
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Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:03 pm to longhorn22
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On the "system" the Warriors run..
Because he's the greatest shooter of all time. Like what is your point?
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:03 pm to longhorn22
quote:Even with Mark Jackson, he was signicantly better than Lilliard.
On the "system" the Warriors run..
As an example, Steph's worst shooting year (his rookie year), he had a effective field goal % of 0.535. Lilliard's best shooting year he had an effective field goal % of 0.508.
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:05 pm to longhorn22
People can argue what they want. The fact is:
If the award is being given out based on the literal meaning of the words, "Most Valuable Player", then LeBron is absolutely more deserving of it than Curry.
If the award is simply being given to the best player performance in the NBA for this year, then I have no issue with Curry getting it.
The award needs to either be renamed or have the definition of the award clearly stated, because in no way is Curry more valuable to the Warriors, than LeBron is to the Cavs.
If the award is being given out based on the literal meaning of the words, "Most Valuable Player", then LeBron is absolutely more deserving of it than Curry.
If the award is simply being given to the best player performance in the NBA for this year, then I have no issue with Curry getting it.
The award needs to either be renamed or have the definition of the award clearly stated, because in no way is Curry more valuable to the Warriors, than LeBron is to the Cavs.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:06 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Even if Curry could be replaced by someone with little drop off (which I agree with to some extent) it still doesn't take away from what he accomplished.
I whole heartedly agree. Curry is the most amazing player this year, truly one of the best offensive talents my eyes have laid eyes on. But people are saying the Warriors would "probably" win 60 with lilliard instead. Come on, it's a guarantee they are still the best team in the league.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:06 pm to longhorn22
quote:I don't disagree about how Lebron makes others around him much better, but Frye in CLE is shooting almost exactly the same from 3 as Frye in ORL this season and for his career as well.
Channing Frye(saw what he was doing while he was in Orlando this season and years before bouncing around the league)...
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:06 pm to 13SaintTiger
quote:there is no scenario in which Lillard is as talented as steph
Lilliard's talents don't change just because he switches teams
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:07 pm to longhorn22
quote:Why can they run that system? Because he's that good.
On the "system" the Warriors run..
Very simple way to prove you wrong. Put Curry in POR, they're running that system that allows him to shoot from anywhere. Put Lillard on GS, no chance he's shooting 25+ footers all game long, he's not good enough.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:07 pm to dcrews
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because in no way is Curry more valuable to the Warriors, than LeBron is to the Cavs.
How can you be more valuable to your team by being a worse player?
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:08 pm to 13SaintTiger
quote:I can agree with that.
Come on, it's a guarantee they are still the best team in the league.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:09 pm to dcrews
quote:GS suffered more when Curry was off teh court over the course of 82 games than CLE did when Lebron wasn't in the game, fwiw.
because in no way is Curry more valuable to the Warriors, than LeBron is to the Cavs
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:09 pm to imraged
quote:Exactly. Which is why Curry deserves it this year and LeBron probably should have won it some other years that he didn't. If you're the best player, you add more value to any team you're placed on.
How can you be more valuable to your team by being a worse player?
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:09 pm to WestCoastAg
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there is no scenario in which Lillard is as talented as steph
Who said that? Can you not read?
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:09 pm to dcrews
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The award needs to either be renamed or have the definition of the award clearly stated, because in no way is Curry more valuable to the Warriors, than LeBron is to the Cavs.
The award is NBA most valuable player, not which player is most valuable to his team.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:11 pm to RTR America
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What in the world does that have to do with Harrison Barnes the NBA player?
meaning he's got the talent and youth to be what he is supposed to be....
Not Like someone like Norris Cole, Mario Chalmers, Delly, other meh role players that he make have an impact and better
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:12 pm to 13SaintTiger
I apologize, there's no way the Warriors are still the greatest team in the history of the regular season with Lillard as talented as he is now nor do they beat the spurs
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:13 pm to RTR America
the only thing you are bringing to this discussion is your sad trolling ability..
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:13 pm to longhorn22
quote:So the best way to determine the talent of an indivdual is their recruiting rating as a HS player?
meaning he's got the talent and youth to be what he is supposed to be....
Sebastian Telfair was more talented than just about any PG not named CP3 then.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:14 pm to WestCoastAg
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there's no way the Warriors are still the greatest team in the history of the regular season with Lillard as talented as he is now nor do they beat the spurs
No way, huh? Not even up for discussion? Love how you speak in absolutes. Defenses still have to respect Lilliar's ability to shoot, pass, and dribble. Luke Walton didn't skip a beat with Kerr out, I wonder how many thought that would effect the Warriors.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:15 pm to 13SaintTiger
quote:Considering that Lilliard is a FAR worse player, it is highly unlikely they would be a historically great team.
No way, huh?
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