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re: The Herd: LeBron Most "Valuable" Player...numbers don't lie
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:17 pm to 13SaintTiger
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:17 pm to 13SaintTiger
quote:
I wonder how many thought that would effect the Warriors.
Didn't Walton at least run Kerr's rotations or something?
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Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:18 pm to 13SaintTiger
quote:yes
Not even up for discussion?
quote:well let's think about this. They broke the record by 1 win, and steph is worth 12.5 more expected wins than dame is. I think we can put two and two together
Love how you speak in absolutes.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:18 pm to buckeye_vol
Did Telfair go to college and mature as a player?
Did Telfair go to one of the best basketball colleges?
Did Telfair take the money and run?
Terrible comparison...
When you are the only freshman to have ever be named to the pre-season AA team and set foot on the campus where the "goat" has gone to school, that in itself is an accomplishment.
Now after that yes development in College and early years in the NBA come with that. I don't think Curry impacted the path of Barnes that much given that Barnes already had that talent in him...
LeBron takes guys who have mid-major school talent and makes them good, and meaningful to a team...
cmon now..
Did Telfair go to one of the best basketball colleges?
Did Telfair take the money and run?
Terrible comparison...
When you are the only freshman to have ever be named to the pre-season AA team and set foot on the campus where the "goat" has gone to school, that in itself is an accomplishment.
Now after that yes development in College and early years in the NBA come with that. I don't think Curry impacted the path of Barnes that much given that Barnes already had that talent in him...
LeBron takes guys who have mid-major school talent and makes them good, and meaningful to a team...
cmon now..
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:18 pm to WestCoastAg
Is his Fox show a lot like his ESPN show? I have not seen or heard it since he moved networks.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:21 pm to longhorn22
quote:No he went to the NBA. But you used the "preseason freshman all-American" as an example.
Did Telfair go to college and mature as a player?
quote:Well don't use a stupid baseline then.
Terrible comparison...
quote:I guess we will see.
I don't think Curry impacted the path of Barnes that much given that Barnes already had that talent in him...
quote:I agree with this. LeBron is my all-time favorite player.
LeBron takes guys who have mid-major school talent and makes them good, and meaningful to a team...
BUT Steph was the MVP and MOP of THIS SEASON.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:21 pm to imraged
quote:
How can you be more valuable to your team by being a worse player?
Your value to a team as a player isn't determined solely by your own accomplishment(s).
Take Curry away from the Warrios and they are still dominant.
Take James away from his teams and their performance plummets dramatically.
Again, if the award is for the best performance, then say that's what it's for or rename it. But if you are legit going to say "Most VALUABLE player", then it needs to be voted on properly and not just stat lines.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:22 pm to dcrews
quote:except all the stats that are there to provide how much value a plyer provides say that steph is the most valuable player in the NBA
then it needs to be voted on properly and not just stat lines
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:23 pm to dcrews
quote:But they go from historically great to a very good team. This is why we have metrics that standardize value and account for teammates value as well.
Take Curry away from the Warrios and they are still dominant.
Steph leads the league on those metrics.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:24 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
The award is NBA most valuable player, not which player is most valuable to his team.
Per wikipedia, the MVP award in the NBA is awarded to the best performing player.
If that definition is the legitimate definition, I'm okay with Curry winning it based on his performance, but I'd argue they need to rename the award. It's name and definition do not go hand in hand.
ETA: Steph has had the best performance. But he is not the most valuable player to his team comparative to other players and their teams.
My opinion will never change on that. So agree to disagree.
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:25 pm to dcrews
quote:it did this year
It's name and definition do not go hand in hand.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:26 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
it did this year
No it didn't.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:27 pm to dcrews
Except it did according to every single "value" metric
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:27 pm to dcrews
quote:Then why does Curry lead the league in almost all of the VALUE-ADDED metrics?
No it didn't.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:30 pm to buckeye_vol
How many less wins would the Warriors have this year without Curry?
How many less wins would the Cavs have this year without LeBron?
I guarantee you the Cavs lose way more games than the Warriors do.
How many less wins would the Cavs have this year without LeBron?
I guarantee you the Cavs lose way more games than the Warriors do.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:30 pm to dcrews
quote:
Steph has had the best performance. But he is not the most valuable player to his team comparative to other players and their teams.
My opinion will never change on that. So agree to disagree.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:32 pm to dcrews
quote:
Take Curry away from the Warrios and they are still dominant.
They're 6-3 without him regular and post-season combined with an average MOV of around +4. Pretty much on par with the Raptors.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:33 pm to dcrews
quote:Well since Curry was about +4 in win shares and estimated wins added, we would expect the Warriors to lose about 4 more games without Curry than the Cavs without LeBron.
How many less wins would the Warriors have this year without Curry?
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:46 pm to shel311
quote:
Probably? They'd be closer to 73 than 60. Come on
Highly doubtful.
Meh, there is no way to know for sure, but Steph's VORP suggest he is worth 16 more wins than Damian Lillard if the swapped teams, and I just don't believe that to be the case. I think we've seen, based on Steph's absence AND the way they play with Steph that an efficient, mostly shoot-first PG would have tremendous success in that scheme. Lillard fits the bill for the most part.
I'm pretty confident that the Warriors would still be the best team in the league if you swapped Lillard and Curry, albeit not to the tune of 73 wins.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:47 pm to dcrews
quote:No, they are not.
Take Curry away from the Warrios and they are still dominant
They'd win probably 50-55 games. That's hardly dominant.
quote:GS would certainly be better than CLE, but the decrease would likely be about the same amount of games GS would decrease by, I'd imagine.
Take James away from his teams and their performance plummets dramatically.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:50 pm to buckeye_vol
NUMBERS DON'T LIE....
Click above...
It's from Feb 29th...The Cavs were 3-12 without LeBron since the beginning of the 2014-2015 season? The lost those 12 games by an Avg. of 14.9 points.
These Games are when Kyrie and Kevin Love are both on the court....
Click above...
It's from Feb 29th...The Cavs were 3-12 without LeBron since the beginning of the 2014-2015 season? The lost those 12 games by an Avg. of 14.9 points.
These Games are when Kyrie and Kevin Love are both on the court....
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