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WG_Dawg
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re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
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NFL - 12 out of 32 teams in the post season (38%)
MLB - 6 out of 30 teams (20%)
NBA - 16 or 30 (53%, which is admittedly a joke)
FCS - 24 of 125 teams (19%)
FBS - 4 of 130 (3%)


NFL/MLB/NBA are professional sports organizations where for the MOST PART their is a lot more parity. Sure you have your elites at the top and your bottom feeders but the middle is usually all pretty much equivalent. In CFB the 20th ranked team and the 90th ranked team are nowhere in the same stratosphere of each other. After 12 regular season games and a CCG weekend there generally aren't more than about 5 or 6 teams that have some sort of "claim" to be in title contention. And some of those "claims" are irrelvant, like the case of UCF the past 2 years considering their SOS.


kingbob
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re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
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You don't know that. In fact, it's very unlikely.


This. If the committee takes autobids from P5 conference champs, then UCF would have been left out at #5 because you would have ended up with:
1. Alabama (SEC Champ)
2. Clemson (ACC Champ)
3. Notre Dame (at large)
4. Oklahoma (Big 12 Champ)
5. Ohio State (Big 10 Champ)
6. Georgia (at large)
7. Michigan (at large)
8. Washington (Pac 12 Champ)

Because the committee voted undefeated UCF #8 and one of the P5 champs was ranked outside the top 8, UCF doesn't get in. The only way UCF gets in is if there is some kind of auto-bid for an undefeated G5 Conference Champ. Otherwise, they will just make sure that they rank them low enough to keep them out every single time.
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rockiee
Houston Astros Fan
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Member since Jan 2015
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re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
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And back to my point, the 8 team model with 3 Wildcards and 5 auto-bids now still doesn't really solve any of our problems.



What about requiring one of those wild-card spots to include the "best" G5 team?


shel311
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McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
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It only doesnt solve the non-power 5 angle, but it is absolutely ridiculous we are keeping up the charade of non p5 schools being relatable to the p5

It's a pretty gaping hole and going to create tons of controversy when a team ranked in the top 8 doesn't make the 8 team playoff, right?


shel311
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McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
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What about requiring one of those wild-card spots to include the "best" G5 team?
What happens during one of those seasons where the best G5 team is ranked like 17th?


For the record, I'm not trying to poke holes in every single option just for the heck of it. It's just to point out that no matter what format we go with, there will be still be controversy and holes and either teams having legit gripes because 1 other at-large made it over them or a system where lower ranked teams get in over higher ranked teams.


lsupride87
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Member since Dec 2007
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re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
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It's a pretty gaping hole and going to create tons of controversy when a team ranked in the top 8 doesn't make the 8 team playoff, right?
Not if that team had an opportunity to play there way in, no


Now, if we keep being retarded and let the group of 5 teams act like they belong in the same bucket, yes


AUCE05
Atlanta Braves Fan
Member since Dec 2009
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re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
There was a meeting of the suits after the NCG. Expansion is coming. However, it won't be soon. This is coming from an interview with some sports reporters I heard on ESPN radio yesterday. Some things that may happen first. Divisions will be elimated in all conferences. The two best teams will play for a required conference championship. This takes away easy paths like UGA has. Evens the playing field. No one can play FCS opponents. They did not cover ND joining a conference.


lsupride87
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River Ridge
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re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
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It's just to point out that no matter what format we go with
Except the format where the group of 5 has its own playoffs. They could still play with the p5 schools, therefore still be in the money pool, but it be known there will be a separate playoffs for them


I really dont see why this has to be viewed as "impossible"
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Bunk Moreland
Michigan Fan
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re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
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Divisions will be elimated in all conferences. The two best teams will play for a required conference championship.


That sounds good in theory, but will be a disaster in a 14 team league IMO.
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rockiee
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Member since Jan 2015
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re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
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What happens during one of those seasons where the best G5 team is ranked like 17th?


Yeah, its not always going to be ideal but still seems like the best option imo

8 team playoff, 5 P5 conference winners get auto, 3 at large (1 required G5 school)


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shel311
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re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
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Not if that team had an opportunity to play there way in, no
1. UCF...I know you don't care, but many do, and that would create controversy.

2. You don't think there will be any controversy over the 3 at-large bids with teh 4th and 5th teams left out because they have auto bids? Surely, you don't possibly believe that. You may reject the notion of their arguments, but you're off your rocker if you don't think there will be actual controversies, just like we have between 4/5/6 today.



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DisplacedBuckeye
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re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
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Because the committee voted undefeated UCF #8


So what. That's an easy thing to do when the difference between seven and eight means absolutely nothing.

If it comes down to a playoff spot, UCF has a great chance to make it this year.


AUCE05
Atlanta Braves Fan
Member since Dec 2009
26886 posts

re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
This reporter interview Alvarez. He wants 5 auto conference championship teams. One out of the P5 teams (UCF, etc) then two wild card teams (bama every year when they get their mulligan lose)

ETA:

This reporter said what rustled the suits this year was having UGA ranked higher than OSU.
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shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
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Except the format where the group of 5 has its own playoffs. They could still play with the p5 schools, therefore still be in the money pool, but it be known there will be a separate playoffs for them

If there are at-large bids given by a comittee or BCS type pool, there will be controversy. Saying there wouldn't be would be aiken to saying you don't agree that 2+2=4. There will absolutely still be the same controversies and discussions we had this season with 4/5/6, no question.


kingbob
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Member since Nov 2010
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re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
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So what. That's an easy thing to do when the difference between seven and eight means absolutely nothing.

If it comes down to a playoff spot, UCF has a great chance to make it this year.


I believe the opposite is true. In the case that ranking would determine a playoff spot, the G5 team (not called Notre Dame) is getting screwed 99/100, especially when the other choice is a blue blood like Michigan.


shel311
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McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
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If it comes down to a playoff spot, UCF has a great chance to make it this year.

They also have a great chance to not make it.


DisplacedBuckeye
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re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
That's fine. I disagree, especially when they finish back-to-back undefeated seasons and came off a bowl win over Auburn.


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DisplacedBuckeye
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re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
Maybe. They have less of a chance to miss at #8 with 8 teams instead of 4.


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lsupride87
LSU Fan
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Member since Dec 2007
54180 posts

re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
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There will absolutely still be the same controversies and discussions we had this season with 4/5/6, no question.
I 100% disagree. There will be complaining, but in no way do I think it will be as much when people can point and definitively say "you could have made it by doing this on the football field"


shel311
Nicholls St. Fan
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
67761 posts

re: The committee's 4th team has won the playoffs 40% of the time
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I 100% disagree. There will be complaining, but in no way do I think it will be as much when people can point and definitively say "you could have made it by doing this on the football field"

I couldn't possibly disagree more with your disagreement.


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