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OneMoreTime
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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
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I think when it's all said and done, Texas/OU will ultimately end up with the pac 12
it would be better for the sport as a whole for them to go to the pac 12, but it looks like them joining the SEC is inevitable at this point.


Xenophon
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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
Would only want them in the SEC if they used the pods that I saw on SEC network.

It would be cool having home/away games with OU/UT every four years, but do not want LSU is a pseudo big 8 western division.

I like the LSU, OM, MSU, TAMU pod though. Actually thought all of the pods made sense.


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HubbaBubba
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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
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Either move Auburn and Bama to the east or switch to a scheduling pod. Have 4 pods of 4 teams that play each other every year to maintain rivalries and then have teams play 5 other conference games. The top two teams in the conference play in the SECCG.
Not bad, except I would make it where teams in a pod play all three in the pod they are in then two games against 2 teams in all three other pods, and then switch off to the other two teams in each pod the next year. This way, all teams play each other at least once every two years. That's much better than the current format, where it might be six years before LSU plays a team in the East and twelve years between home games.

This way, every four years LSU gets a home game against every team outside of their pod.
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WeeWee
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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
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As a Texas grad I'm not thrilled about this.


As an LSU alum, I am not thrilled about this either. Texas is a conference killer and it will not like being just another member of the SEC instead of being king.

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UT has changed a lot since I graduated in the 90s. Was liberal then...now thinks it's Cal Berkeley.



UT should get along fine with blMU (aka Mizzou) and bLmSU (aka LSU ).

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Rest assured Texas IS leaving the Big 12.


Everybody pretty much figured that out back when Tejas blocked the Big12 expansion a few years ago.

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I know a few birdies in ATX


Sure you do.

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they would actually prefer the Big 10 because of culture and academics.



Culture and academics worked out great for the BIG10 when they added Maryland and Rutgers didn't it? Sure the BIG10 got more $$$ from adding them but they watered down their on the field product.

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Big 10 and SEC are the only 2 possibilities


I don't think that the BIG10 is a legit option for UT. UT would be an outlier just like WVU is in the Big12 now. The BIG10 requires its members to also be members of the AAU (Nebraska was a member at the time it joined the BIG10) and since Oklahoma is not a AAU member that Kansas, Rice, and Tulane as potential new members to go along with Texas. Kansas and Tulane do not solve the travel problems that would come with adding UT and Rice's athletics are worse than Rutgers.

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PAC 12 snobs say no to OU and travel doesn't work.



Oklahoma's academics aren't what will stop it from going to the PAC. The state legislature making it take OSU with it is what will stop it.

IMO UT would probably be better off going independent in football if the CFB playoffs expand like they are expected to do. That way it could make its own schedule and be its own boss like it wants to be. If the Bif12 won't let it be a non-football member then I am sure the AAC would bend over backwards to get UT to join it as a nonsports member.


WeeWee
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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
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Not bad, except I would make it where teams in a pod play all three in the pod they are in then two games against 2 teams in all three other pods,


That is the beauty of the scheduling pod system. It offers scheduling flexibility that 7 and 8 team divisions doesn't offer.

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This way, every four years LSU gets a home game against every team outside of their pod.


8 team divisions would suck even if the SEC move to 9 conference games. You are going to get a home game vs teams from the other division either every 8 years or every 14 years. If the SEC sticks with divisions it basically like putting LSU, MSU, and OM in the old Southwest Conference plus Mizzou and OU. That is why if the SEC expands to 16 teams I hope it goes to scheduling pods.


Vandergriff
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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
Good points. And yep I'm a nobody in those big cigar circles in Austin but I do know a couple folks who at least "think" they matter.

The admin and BOR at Texas are all about academics, research grants, and cultural elitism. Belmont (the athletic dept) is second in nation in revenues behind only Ohio St. However, they are constantly at odds with the current board of regents

I'm just passing along what I've been told. Big 10 and then SEC.

Basically told me PAC 12 is a non starter because of travel and game times (TV deals)
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theOG
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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
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The state legislature making it take OSU with it is what will stop it.


The notion that the State mandates that the two universities remain in the same conference is 100% false.


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molsusports
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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
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That is the beauty of the scheduling pod system. It offers scheduling flexibility that 7 and 8 team divisions doesn't offer.

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8 team divisions would suck even if the SEC move to 9 conference games. You are going to get a home game vs teams from the other division either every 8 years or every 14 years


Yeah. Pods are the best option if you expand for the money. Otherwise you really stop being a conference.

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. If the SEC sticks with divisions it basically like putting LSU, MSU, and OM in the old Southwest Conference plus Mizzou and OU. That is why if the SEC expands to 16 teams I hope it goes to scheduling pods.


I don't see a way around some of that. The best you can do is negotiate a arrangement where you get a permanent opponent like Florida while still playing either Alabama and Auburn or Georgia and Tennessee every year.

That becomes an upgrade if you get three "big six" opponents as well as OU, Texas, and A&M on the schedule every year

Five team pods based loosely on geography:
East 1 - Florida. PO. West 1 - LSU
East 2 - Georgia. PO West 2 - Texas
East 3 - Alabama. PO West 3 - Oklahoma
East 4 - Auburn. PO West 4 - A&M
East 5 - Tennessee. PO West 5 - Arkansas

Three team pods:
East 1 - South Carolina. West 1 - Missouri
East 2 - Kentucky. West 2 - MSU
East 3 - Vanderbilt. West 3 - Ole Miss


WeeWee
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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
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I don't see a way around some of that. The best you can do is negotiate a arrangement where you get a permanent opponent like Florida while still playing either Alabama and Auburn or Georgia and Tennessee every year.


Here is the best arrangement that I can see:

Pod1:
*A&M
*Arkansas
*OU
*Texas

Pod2:
*Alabama
*LSU
*MSU
*OM

Pod3:
*Kentucky
*Mizzou
*Tennessee
*Vandy

Pod4:
*Auburn
*Florida
*Georgia
*USCe

This arrangement works really well especially if the SEC goes to a 9 game or 10 game schedule and the CFB expands so a 1 or 2 loss SEC team doesn't have to worry about missing the playoffs. If you give each team 2 permanent opponents from other pods then you preserve most rivalries and have a home game against every other team every 4 years.


ShaneTheLegLechler
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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
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Pod3:
*Kentucky
*Mizzou
*Tennessee
*Vandy


This is the issue with that setup


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WeeWee
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This is the issue with that setup



It's inevitable that one pod is going to be weaker than the rest.


ShaneTheLegLechler
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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
To say that’s weaker than the rest is an understatement though


hg
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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
Dumb question. So are the SEC schools not doing a vote on whether to allow Texas and OU?


ShaneTheLegLechler
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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
I’m guessing they know what it is off hand and it is a formality. I’m sure they will though. I would think even we will technically vote yes for solidarity.

IIRC when we joined two east schools (I think Vandy and Florida) opposed but technically voted yes when they held the formal vote. I might be remembering wrong though
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molsusports
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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
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Pod1:
*A&M
*Arkansas
*OU
*Texas

Pod2:
*Alabama
*LSU
*MSU
*OM

Pod3:
*Kentucky
*Mizzou
*Tennessee
*Vandy

Pod4:
*Auburn
*Florida
*Georgia
*USCe

This arrangement works really well especially if the SEC goes to a 9 game or 10 game schedule and the CFB expands so a 1 or 2 loss SEC team doesn't have to worry about missing the playoffs. If you give each team 2 permanent opponents from other pods then you preserve most rivalries and have a home game against every other team every 4 years


Non starter because Alabama doesn't get to keep either of their annual rivalry games (Auburn & Tennessee).

In general the four term pods are a logistical nightmare. You only have three fixed opponents. Getting to the top two teams becomes more difficult when you don't have two divisions and the quality of your out of pod/division opponents can vary enormously.


teke184
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Member since Jan 2007
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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
Is Bama-Tennessee really a rivalry at this point given how one-sided it is?

It is like calling LSU-MSU a rivalry when one team has about three wins in 30 years.


molsusports
Ohio State Fan
Member since Jul 2004
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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
I'm with you. It's just been presented as a deal breaker before.

Alabama wants Auburn and Tennessee
Auburn wants Alabama and Georgia


MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
So move them to the East. And Auburn/UF could play annually again too.


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MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
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Is Bama-Tennessee really a rivalry at this point given how one-sided it is?

How old are you? It wasn't like that until Saban. Whereas LSU has obvious advantages over Moo St. Always has, always will.
Bama only lead the series 43-38-6 before Saban. And obviously the Vols haven't helped with bad coaching hires.
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