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re: Texas and OU have apparently reached out to the SEC about joining the conference
Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:26 am to OneMoreTime
Posted on 7/22/21 at 9:26 am to OneMoreTime
Would only want them in the SEC if they used the pods that I saw on SEC network.
It would be cool having home/away games with OU/UT every four years, but do not want LSU is a pseudo big 8 western division.
I like the LSU, OM, MSU, TAMU pod though. Actually thought all of the pods made sense.
It would be cool having home/away games with OU/UT every four years, but do not want LSU is a pseudo big 8 western division.
I like the LSU, OM, MSU, TAMU pod though. Actually thought all of the pods made sense.
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 10:08 am to WeeWee
quote:Not bad, except I would make it where teams in a pod play all three in the pod they are in then two games against 2 teams in all three other pods, and then switch off to the other two teams in each pod the next year. This way, all teams play each other at least once every two years. That's much better than the current format, where it might be six years before LSU plays a team in the East and twelve years between home games.
Either move Auburn and Bama to the east or switch to a scheduling pod. Have 4 pods of 4 teams that play each other every year to maintain rivalries and then have teams play 5 other conference games. The top two teams in the conference play in the SECCG.
This way, every four years LSU gets a home game against every team outside of their pod.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 10:12 am
Posted on 7/22/21 at 10:52 am to Vandergriff
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As a Texas grad I'm not thrilled about this.
As an LSU alum, I am not thrilled about this either. Texas is a conference killer and it will not like being just another member of the SEC instead of being king.
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UT has changed a lot since I graduated in the 90s. Was liberal then...now thinks it's Cal Berkeley.
UT should get along fine with blMU (aka Mizzou) and bLmSU (aka LSU
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Rest assured Texas IS leaving the Big 12.
Everybody pretty much figured that out back when Tejas blocked the Big12 expansion a few years ago.
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I know a few birdies in ATX
Sure you do.
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they would actually prefer the Big 10 because of culture and academics.
Culture and academics worked out great for the BIG10 when they added Maryland and Rutgers didn't it? Sure the BIG10 got more $$$ from adding them but they watered down their on the field product.
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Big 10 and SEC are the only 2 possibilities
I don't think that the BIG10 is a legit option for UT. UT would be an outlier just like WVU is in the Big12 now. The BIG10 requires its members to also be members of the AAU (Nebraska was a member at the time it joined the BIG10) and since Oklahoma is not a AAU member that Kansas, Rice, and Tulane as potential new members to go along with Texas. Kansas and Tulane do not solve the travel problems that would come with adding UT and Rice's athletics are worse than Rutgers.
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PAC 12 snobs say no to OU and travel doesn't work.
Oklahoma's academics aren't what will stop it from going to the PAC. The state legislature making it take OSU with it is what will stop it.
IMO UT would probably be better off going independent in football if the CFB playoffs expand like they are expected to do. That way it could make its own schedule and be its own boss like it wants to be. If the Bif12 won't let it be a non-football member then I am sure the AAC would bend over backwards to get UT to join it as a nonsports member.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 11:05 am to HubbaBubba
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Not bad, except I would make it where teams in a pod play all three in the pod they are in then two games against 2 teams in all three other pods,
That is the beauty of the scheduling pod system. It offers scheduling flexibility that 7 and 8 team divisions doesn't offer.
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This way, every four years LSU gets a home game against every team outside of their pod.
8 team divisions would suck even if the SEC move to 9 conference games. You are going to get a home game vs teams from the other division either every 8 years or every 14 years. If the SEC sticks with divisions it basically like putting LSU, MSU, and OM in the old Southwest Conference plus Mizzou and OU.
That is why if the SEC expands to 16 teams I hope it goes to scheduling pods. Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:12 pm to WeeWee
Good points. And yep I'm a nobody in those big cigar circles in Austin but I do know a couple folks who at least "think" they matter.
The admin and BOR at Texas are all about academics, research grants, and cultural elitism. Belmont (the athletic dept) is second in nation in revenues behind only Ohio St. However, they are constantly at odds with the current board of regents
I'm just passing along what I've been told. Big 10 and then SEC.
Basically told me PAC 12 is a non starter because of travel and game times (TV deals)
The admin and BOR at Texas are all about academics, research grants, and cultural elitism. Belmont (the athletic dept) is second in nation in revenues behind only Ohio St. However, they are constantly at odds with the current board of regents
I'm just passing along what I've been told. Big 10 and then SEC.
Basically told me PAC 12 is a non starter because of travel and game times (TV deals)
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:49 pm to WeeWee
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The state legislature making it take OSU with it is what will stop it.
The notion that the State mandates that the two universities remain in the same conference is 100% false.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 3:42 pm to WeeWee
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That is the beauty of the scheduling pod system. It offers scheduling flexibility that 7 and 8 team divisions doesn't offer.
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8 team divisions would suck even if the SEC move to 9 conference games. You are going to get a home game vs teams from the other division either every 8 years or every 14 years
Yeah. Pods are the best option if you expand for the money. Otherwise you really stop being a conference.
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. If the SEC sticks with divisions it basically like putting LSU, MSU, and OM in the old Southwest Conference plus Mizzou and OU. That is why if the SEC expands to 16 teams I hope it goes to scheduling pods.
I don't see a way around some of that. The best you can do is negotiate a arrangement where you get a permanent opponent like Florida while still playing either Alabama and Auburn or Georgia and Tennessee every year.
That becomes an upgrade if you get three "big six" opponents as well as OU, Texas, and A&M on the schedule every year
Five team pods based loosely on geography:
East 1 - Florida. PO. West 1 - LSU
East 2 - Georgia. PO West 2 - Texas
East 3 - Alabama. PO West 3 - Oklahoma
East 4 - Auburn. PO West 4 - A&M
East 5 - Tennessee. PO West 5 - Arkansas
Three team pods:
East 1 - South Carolina. West 1 - Missouri
East 2 - Kentucky. West 2 - MSU
East 3 - Vanderbilt. West 3 - Ole Miss
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:08 am to molsusports
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I don't see a way around some of that. The best you can do is negotiate a arrangement where you get a permanent opponent like Florida while still playing either Alabama and Auburn or Georgia and Tennessee every year.
Here is the best arrangement that I can see:
Pod1:
*A&M
*Arkansas
*OU
*Texas
Pod2:
*Alabama
*LSU
*MSU
*OM
Pod3:
*Kentucky
*Mizzou
*Tennessee
*Vandy
Pod4:
*Auburn
*Florida
*Georgia
*USCe
This arrangement works really well especially if the SEC goes to a 9 game or 10 game schedule and the CFB expands so a 1 or 2 loss SEC team doesn't have to worry about missing the playoffs. If you give each team 2 permanent opponents from other pods then you preserve most rivalries and have a home game against every other team every 4 years.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:10 am to WeeWee
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Pod3:
*Kentucky
*Mizzou
*Tennessee
*Vandy
This is the issue with that setup
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:12 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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This is the issue with that setup
It's inevitable that one pod is going to be weaker than the rest.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 10:14 am to WeeWee
To say that’s weaker than the rest is an understatement though
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:28 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Dumb question. So are the SEC schools not doing a vote on whether to allow Texas and OU?
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:31 am to hg
I’m guessing they know what it is off hand and it is a formality. I’m sure they will though. I would think even we will technically vote yes for solidarity.
IIRC when we joined two east schools (I think Vandy and Florida) opposed but technically voted yes when they held the formal vote. I might be remembering wrong though
IIRC when we joined two east schools (I think Vandy and Florida) opposed but technically voted yes when they held the formal vote. I might be remembering wrong though
This post was edited on 7/23/21 at 11:31 am
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:41 am to WeeWee
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Pod1:
*A&M
*Arkansas
*OU
*Texas
Pod2:
*Alabama
*LSU
*MSU
*OM
Pod3:
*Kentucky
*Mizzou
*Tennessee
*Vandy
Pod4:
*Auburn
*Florida
*Georgia
*USCe
This arrangement works really well especially if the SEC goes to a 9 game or 10 game schedule and the CFB expands so a 1 or 2 loss SEC team doesn't have to worry about missing the playoffs. If you give each team 2 permanent opponents from other pods then you preserve most rivalries and have a home game against every other team every 4 years
Non starter because Alabama doesn't get to keep either of their annual rivalry games (Auburn & Tennessee).
In general the four term pods are a logistical nightmare. You only have three fixed opponents. Getting to the top two teams becomes more difficult when you don't have two divisions and the quality of your out of pod/division opponents can vary enormously.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:43 am to molsusports
Is Bama-Tennessee really a rivalry at this point given how one-sided it is?
It is like calling LSU-MSU a rivalry when one team has about three wins in 30 years.
It is like calling LSU-MSU a rivalry when one team has about three wins in 30 years.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:47 am to teke184
I'm with you. It's just been presented as a deal breaker before.
Alabama wants Auburn and Tennessee
Auburn wants Alabama and Georgia
Alabama wants Auburn and Tennessee
Auburn wants Alabama and Georgia
Posted on 7/23/21 at 11:59 am to molsusports
So move them to the East. And Auburn/UF could play annually again too.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 12:01 pm to teke184
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Is Bama-Tennessee really a rivalry at this point given how one-sided it is?
How old are you? It wasn't like that until Saban. Whereas LSU has obvious advantages over Moo St. Always has, always will.
Bama only lead the series 43-38-6 before Saban. And obviously the Vols haven't helped with bad coaching hires.
This post was edited on 7/23/21 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 7/23/21 at 12:04 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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Maryland Terrapins @umterps
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