re: TCU turns down Wisconsis rematch

go for it. I don't know the details surrounding that, and I dont really care.

no team like TCU has proven to have sustainability over a long period of time. They will probably be irrelevant in 4-5 years. Maybe even as early as next year given their QB situation. That's just how it goes.

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Both may have been worthy, but not more than TCU.

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Based on what? Both had more impressive wins.

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I said Auburn was better than Boise and that your standard of BCS wins is meaningless, how do you conclude that I'm say Boise is elite? And who else did I say was elite? I'm not sure even how we are defining elite.

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There are 120 teams, I'd say the top 10% are elite, so that makes it 12. Also, are we talking about programs in their overall historical context or their most recent seasons and are we including their health off the field as well? If we are talking about just the talent and coaching on the field, then I don't see how anyone in their right mind could put TCU up there with the elites in terms of talent on the team.

The point is, we'd spank TCU, as would at least 5-6 other SEC schools. If each SEC school played them in a 10 game series - 5 at home and 5 away - the only school that definitely would have a losing record is Vanderbilt. You could probably lump Kentucky and Mississippi in there, but the best would have a winning record no doubt. People say that the East was down this year, but outside of a handful of OCC losses (which were to other BCS programs), it was the SEC beating up on the SEC.

TCU does ot have elite level talent. If you want to judge the talent level of a program then look at the level of talent they bring in from high school/JUCO and the talent they put out to the NFL. How many players does TCU even have invited to the combine each year? 1? 2? South Carolina does better than that. Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, and LSU do as well. Mississippi has the past few years and Mississippi state is starting to pick it up again as well. So outside of Kentucky and Vanderbilt (which do put some talent into the league on a somewhat regular basis), TCU does not have more talent than the SEC schools.

This isn't even taking into account schools in Florida (Miami + FSU) that pick up great talent yearly, and other schools such as Clemson, North Carolina and even Georgia Tech to a degree that are snatching up talent on a regular basis. That's just the Southeast. In TCU's own neck of the woods, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Texas A&M definitely have superior talent. Texas Tech and Missouri have varying amounts of good talent on their team, but for argument sake, I'll just put them on even keel. Out west, Southern Cal is the most talented team on that coast followed by Oregon. If you want to claim that TCU is more talented then the rest, then I'm not going to dispute it even though the other California schools do have talent as do the Arizona schools. So out of the gate, that's at least 15-20 schools that are easily more talented.

The point? TCU has great talent compared to their competition,, but compared to the BCS conferences, they are middle of the road at best. They are not an elite team or program.

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sustainability over a long period of time

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probably be irrelevant in 4-5 years. Maybe even as early as next year

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Im glad you dont manage my investments.

To declare no sustainablity over a long period of time after one poor season is a bit short sighted.

I agree next year may be tough on the frogs, then again GP is excellent at preparing his team.

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To declare no sustainablity over a long period of time after one poor season is a bit short sighted.

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if they arent winning double digit games, then they are just another team. Even if they are in the shite Big East. I hope to god they remove the Big East's BCS bid when it comes up for vote.


By sustainability, I mean be on the level like ALA, FL, USC, LSU, etc, teams like that. Year in and year out, a direct threat to make noise.


If TCU is as good as the hype, they'll run through the Big East most years. Do you consider losing 4-5 games and winning the big east and going to a BCS bowl game an accomplishment? IS that something you would celebrate?

I don't know what's better this guy or the magics guy who is listing scrubs as his arguement

No I dont celebrate 4 and 5 loss seasons.

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No I dont celebrate 4 and 5 loss seasons.

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good, cause I feel some people in this thread would rub it in that TCU was in a BCS bow despite a 4 or 5 loss season

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becasue none of those teams have had a 5 or more loss season in the last 5 years.

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like I said, QB transitional years are tough for even the most talent rich programs.

It could absolutely crush a team like TCU if they don't find the right guy going forward.


I mean you see what kind of shite bowl you go to if you lose even 2 or 3 games. It speaks for itself. The Big East isnt a great conference by any means, and will have better bowl bids, but it is definitely going to be a step up and a test for TCU

the kool-aid definitely flows freely around those parts.

they are going to take over college football, except they are the only ones that know it.

Since you are being selective you really should have picked Wyoming in your whining instead of SDSU.

Air Force, Boise, Baylor, BYU, and at least 2 if not 3 currently unscheduled opponents will help bolster the schedule.

What I was referring to of course is that next year will be a major rebuilding year for TCU with a 4 yrs starter QB and Center amongst many others graduating.

I know that so many athelets graduating is a novel idea to the SEC in general but it can happen.