re: TCU turns down Wisconsis rematch

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Auburn would beat TCU 9 or 10 out of 10 times IMO. Probably all 10. 19 out of 20 type of deal. They wouldn't be able to stop Auburn and Fairley would be in the backfield all night, as expected.

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Agree.

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Alabama probably 8 out of 10 times.

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Disagree. We were the worst team that Alabama lost to. They go no worse than 9-1 against them.

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LSU and Arkansas 7 out of 10 times.

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Both would go 5-0 at home; I don't see them losing more than 2 at TCU at most.

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South Carolina 6 out of 10 times.

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No more than 2 at their place.

You have to consider the size and noise level of their venue. A 46,000 seat stadium does not intimidate SEC teams. Hell the only venue smaller than that in the SEC is Vanderbilt at just under 42,000. The second smallest SEC stadium is Mississippi State and they still over over 9,000 more seats than TCU (and the cowbells).

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The top 4 teams from the West were all better than South Carolina this year, IMO.

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We did beat Alabama head to head in the regular season and have the same record before the SECCG and bowl, but Alabama was easily a top 10 team this year despite their game against us.

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You don't seem to understand the concept of level of competition.

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yes I do, I just don't base it on conference affiliation only and i let the facts speak for themselves.

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Has nothing to do with the quality of their opponents. God you are a dumb motherfricker.

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So i am dumb muther fricker because I'm judging quality based on objective data and not bias based on the conference they are in? You can't back up anything you are saying without resorting to insults, that means you are wrong

CBS: BYU 52 SOS 61 UK 64 SOS 84

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Sagarin: BYU 45 SOS 55UK 74 SOS 63

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Colley: BYU 49 SOS 49 UK 74 SOS 88

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Anderson and Hest: BYU 51 SOS 55 UK 71 SOS 67

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Billingsly, no SOS buy BYU 59 UK 68

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Massey BYU 49 SOS 41 UK 77 SOS 79

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Peter Wolfe, no SOS raking but BYU 44 UK 77

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Every Single Computer formula used in BCS rates BYU over Kentucky and all the ones with SOS rate BYU's schedule as better But hey don't let facts get in the way of your beliefs. I guess if I was you, I want to believe my team wouldn't lose to a shitty team with a crappy schedule like UK either.

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What was your source and how do they measure SoS? Do
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This source BYU 48 SOS 58 UK 71 66



Its not even close

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Those guys have TCU at number one over Auburn despite having them rating Auburn's SoS 4th and TCU's 82nd. They have Boise State at 3rd with a 12-1 record and the 78th schedule while the 3 teams immediately behind them have the same record and their schedules are 64th, 33rd, and 51st respectively. They have 12-2 Oklahoma at 7th despite the 3rd highest SoS.

They also have 11-2 LSU at 11th behind #9 Wisconsin (11-2, #83 SoS) and #10 Oklahoma State (11-2 #29 SoS).

Further down he has West Virginia at 25th with a 9-4 record and the #68 SoS while North Carolina State is behind them despite also being 9-4 with the #28 SoS.

To top it all off, he started and kept Boise State at number one until they lost to Nevada and even then he only moved them down to 3rd.

Call me crazy, but that's a shitty rating system.

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The only way to measure SoS is to measure wins and losses. In order to objectively measure SoS, wins and losses are measured for that opponent and their opponent. So, for example beating Vanderbilt means more because of the W/L record of the opponents Vanderbilt has faced. That's the reason why the SEC's schedule is so strong....especially sine the SEC-W only lost 1 game to an OOC opponent.

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I agree that W-L and opponent W-L are important and relative, but you have to take into account the level of competition as well. The Top 2 teams in the MWC and SEC had the same overall records in the RS, but they played vastly different qualities of teams to get to those records. The top 3 teams in the Big Ten only lost to teams in the Big Ten; the 4th team had one loss OOC. If you add in the next 2 teams, then you add in 3 more losses (Illinois at Fresno State, vs. Missouri, and Penn State vs. then number 1 Alabama). That's a combined 4 OOC losses for the top 6 teams in the Big Ten. If you add in the the 7th and 8th teams (Michigan and Northwestern) you are still only at 4 losses.

Basically, the 8 Big Ten bowl teams had a combined 4 OOC losses in regular season play.

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As far as football team, imo TCU had a better team than USCe.

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From top to bottom across the board, I don't see it. I'll concede that Dalton is probably a better quarterback than Garcia (even though Garcia played far better against the best defense on his schedule than Dalton did against the school on his). However, it's really not even a discussion elsewhere on the field. Their coaching staff - while good - isn't as experienced or proven at a high level as ours is.

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Only Auburn and Bama had teams that could handle TCU.

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Oregon basically had the same size and speed as TCU doesn't but at a higher level and you saw how Auburn's lines dominated Oregon's. Alabama would pillage and burn.

Arkansas's offense is more than talented and diverse enough to scorch TCU and their defense would limit significantly.

LSU's problem was not talent; it was coaching. Even still, LSU's defense was top 5 in talent and far better than any that TCU faced. LSU's size on the lines would have shown through in the 4th and allowed them to put TCU away.

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So you are comparing a road trip to Kentucky to a road trip to Baylor, Air Force, and Utah?

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No, that would be unfair to Kentucky, they others are all much better

Using only the link Lee provided: Rank/SOS

Air Force 28/71
Baylor 59/17
Utah 17/54
Kentucky 71/66

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What he doesn't understand is that Kentucky's OOC schedule was very weak: Charleston Southern (3-8 and FCS), Louisville (7-6), Western Kentucky (2-10, and Akron (1-11). Their scheduled FBS OOC opponents had a COMBINED 10 wins.

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What was the record of Kentucky's conference opponents? BYU's? Hell, through TCU in there.

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I'll reiterate...Kentucky didn't have to play LSU, Bama, or Arkansas (all teams with 10 wins).

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TCU played one. BYU did manage to play 2. Crown'em.

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Those guys have TCU at number one over Auburn despite having them rating Auburn's SoS 4th and TCU's 82nd.
To top it all off, he started and kept Boise State at number one until they lost to Nevada and even then he only moved them down to 3rd.

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It's a computer poll and before the bowl games. I'm using it for SoS calculation only.

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I agree that W-L and opponent W-L are important and relative, but you have to take into account the level of competition as well. The Top 2 teams in the MWC and SEC had the same overall records in the RS, but they played vastly different qualities of teams to get to those records.

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Yes, but the top team in the MWC combined W/L record of their opponents-opponents is far less than the #1 SEC school. That is a very valid and fair way to determine SoS and it does take into affect quality of opponent that way.

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Basically, the 8 Big Ten bowl teams had a combined 4 OOC losses in regular season play.

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Again, have you not looked at their OOC schedule? Ohio State is the only team with a decent OOC schedule.

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Oregon basically had the same size and speed as TCU doesn't but at a higher level and you saw how Auburn's lines dominated Oregon

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Fairley, yes. Yet Auburn only won by 3. I don't call that domination.

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LSU's problem was not talent; it was coaching. Even still, LSU's defense was top 5 in talent and far better than any that TCU faced. LSU's size on the lines would have shown through in the 4th and allowed them to put TCU away.

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LSU's problem was QB and QB coaching. I'm tired of people comparing TCU's size on the D-line and using it as an excuse why TCU would get beat up front. Look up the size/weight of their o-line and d-line and compare it to LSU. Very, very similar.

People picking Wisconsin would easily handle TCU were using this argument: Wisconsin's OL outweighed TCU's DL by almost 30-50 lb per guy. It's a nice stat, but even LSU has that same mismatch when you compare their OL to their DL.

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You're right, playing 5 bowl teams is harder than playing 7.

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schedules are typically 12 games, not 5 or 7.

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Kentucky > BYU.

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Based on what? Provide some evidence to back up this claim. Every single objective source I can find ranks BYU over UK and shows BYU played a harder schedule S

Sagarin, Colley/Matrix/Billinglsey et al > You

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So TCU beat up on a schedule that by your own admission was below average and you are impressed by that?

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yes, for the umpteenth fricking time they dominated the teams they played. We are not talking about 1 game, like USCe vs Troy. We are talking about 11 out of 13 games. They beat a good team, ranked in the top 5 in a bowl. Going undefeated is hard, that's why there is usually only a couple of teams that do it each year.

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It's a computer poll and before the bowl games. I'm using it for SoS calculation only.

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Why would you use a source that has that flawed of a methodology?

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Again, have you not looked at their OOC schedule? Ohio State is the only team with a decent OOC schedule.

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Not true. Iowa played Iowa State and Arizona - 2 BCS opponents.

Illinois played Missouri and Fresno and Northern Illinois (latter two were in a bowl against each other).

Michigan State played Notre Dame and Western Michigan (bowl eligible).

Wisconsin did have Arizona State. They also had one of TCU's conference opponents on the schedule (UNLV)

Penn State had Alabama, and Temple (8-4 and was screwed out of a bowl).

Michigan had Big East champion UConn and Notre Dame.


None of these are all that spectacular, but TCU's best OCC was Baylor and they too had a FCS school on their schedule.

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Oregon basically had the same size and speed as TCU doesn't but at a higher level and you saw how Auburn's lines dominated Oregon
Fairley, yes.

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Fairley is a beast, possibly the #1 player in the draft. Oregon's spread out formations leave the DT's un blocked or single covered a lot of times. It was horrifically stupid of them to not double him more, still they damn near won the game