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Posted on 5/9/13 at 12:32 pm to reddman
I still will never understand the hype behind this team.
But my feelings on this are well documented.
But my feelings on this are well documented.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 12:33 pm to The White Lobster
Just wait until probar is a bust. He will melt down
Posted on 5/9/13 at 12:33 pm to reddman
I like Scioscia, but he needs to be fired. sometimes, a guy just loses the locker room and they get used to him and the team tunes him out. I think he's reached that point with the Angels. This is their second straight year coming out of the gates and falling flat on their face.
I'm not buying the "it's the GM's fault" excuse. While there's a lot of blame to go around, Scioscia certainly has input on player moves. He's not the final say, but everything he's wanted, he's been given. Also, the one thing a manager really does control is the bullpen. Most bullpens are crafted by internal organizational guys, and it's up to a manager to identify the guys who are AAA pitchers and who can be effective in a limited role in the majors. Scioscia has largely failed at this.
But he probably won't get fired. They will throw even more money at the problem in a race with the Dodgers to be the most insane organization.
I'm not buying the "it's the GM's fault" excuse. While there's a lot of blame to go around, Scioscia certainly has input on player moves. He's not the final say, but everything he's wanted, he's been given. Also, the one thing a manager really does control is the bullpen. Most bullpens are crafted by internal organizational guys, and it's up to a manager to identify the guys who are AAA pitchers and who can be effective in a limited role in the majors. Scioscia has largely failed at this.
But he probably won't get fired. They will throw even more money at the problem in a race with the Dodgers to be the most insane organization.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 12:38 pm to GynoSandberg
Tough question indeed. I think the fact that Dipoto has built this team differently than previous teams is problematic. Angels have won in the past with pitching and Dipoto just doesn't seem to value that style. I'm not sure if its coming from Moreno or what, but you need pitching to win.
I think the team has struggled with Weaver, Aybar (back now), Callapso (back now), and Bourjos, who was on fire when he got hurt. Add to that a horrendous bullpen and you get what you see today.
Regarding the pitching, believe it or not Blanton hasn't been horrible in his last 4 outings:
6ip, 4 ER
6ip, 3 ER
8ip, 2 ER
6.2 ip, 3 ER
Same with Vargas his last 3 outings:
7ip, 3 ER
8ip, 2 ER
9ip, 0 ER
Hanson has been OK and has 1 W over 3 games where he gave up 4 ERs.
The REAL problem as of late has been the bullpen and lack of hitting. Early on they were hitting, but just not with RISP. Now, not so much. The end of the game last night was emblematic. Bases loaded with Kendrick up after the pitcher had just walked the previous batter. So what does HK47 do...first pitch swinging and hits into a DP. Brutal.
In sum, its not MS14's fault and he likely shouldn't be fired, but he could pay the price for his team's struggles.
I think the team has struggled with Weaver, Aybar (back now), Callapso (back now), and Bourjos, who was on fire when he got hurt. Add to that a horrendous bullpen and you get what you see today.
Regarding the pitching, believe it or not Blanton hasn't been horrible in his last 4 outings:
6ip, 4 ER
6ip, 3 ER
8ip, 2 ER
6.2 ip, 3 ER
Same with Vargas his last 3 outings:
7ip, 3 ER
8ip, 2 ER
9ip, 0 ER
Hanson has been OK and has 1 W over 3 games where he gave up 4 ERs.
The REAL problem as of late has been the bullpen and lack of hitting. Early on they were hitting, but just not with RISP. Now, not so much. The end of the game last night was emblematic. Bases loaded with Kendrick up after the pitcher had just walked the previous batter. So what does HK47 do...first pitch swinging and hits into a DP. Brutal.
In sum, its not MS14's fault and he likely shouldn't be fired, but he could pay the price for his team's struggles.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 12:39 pm to GynoSandberg
he needs to tinker with the lineup, imo.
id bat Trout 3rd, pujols 4th, Trumbo 5th and hamilton 6th.
move Kendrick to the 2 hole, let Bourjos leadoff.
I think they can still turn it around. Just need to catch that spark.
they still have 30 combined games with SEA and HOU left, so there is always a chance.
id bat Trout 3rd, pujols 4th, Trumbo 5th and hamilton 6th.
move Kendrick to the 2 hole, let Bourjos leadoff.
I think they can still turn it around. Just need to catch that spark.
they still have 30 combined games with SEA and HOU left, so there is always a chance.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 12:43 pm to DEANintheYAY
The pitching depth is just brutal. When you have Michael Roth make a start for you, you have major problems
Posted on 5/9/13 at 12:45 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
he needs to tinker with the lineup, imo.
id bat Trout 3rd, pujols 4th, Trumbo 5th and hamilton 6th.
move Kendrick to the 2 hole, let Bourjos leadoff.
He did have Bourjos leading off and he was doing very well before he got hurt. I like the idea of Trout hitting 3rd, at least for now. Overall, I just think they need to relax and play.
Also, trading Trumbo would be dumb.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 12:46 pm to DEANintheYAY
Mike and Jerry (Dipota) have a horrible GM/manager relationship I've read several places. That Dipota does things without consulting with Mike and then having him figure out how the pieces fit.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 12:49 pm to Baloo
quote:
I like Scioscia, but he needs to be fired. sometimes, a guy just loses the locker room and they get used to him and the team tunes him out. I think he's reached that point with the Angels. This is their second straight year coming out of the gates and falling flat on their face.
He's got Andy Reid syndrome.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 12:50 pm to Lester Earl
I think they are dead in the water.
Look, they are 11-22 right now and you need to win about 90 games to be in the postseason conversation. that means the Angels have to finish 79-50 to get to 90 wins. that's a .612 pace. Over 162 games, that's a 99-win pace.
So, do you think this team is good enough to be of, essentially, 100 win quality? I don't. Just getting to .500 requires them finishing 70-59. That seems more reasonable.
Look, they are 11-22 right now and you need to win about 90 games to be in the postseason conversation. that means the Angels have to finish 79-50 to get to 90 wins. that's a .612 pace. Over 162 games, that's a 99-win pace.
So, do you think this team is good enough to be of, essentially, 100 win quality? I don't. Just getting to .500 requires them finishing 70-59. That seems more reasonable.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 12:52 pm to tduecen
Those 2 have never meshed it seems.
The big question is, IF you fire MS14, then who manages the team??
Jim Eppard? He has been a MLB hitting coach for less than a season.
Mike Butcher? 7 years a pitching coach under Scioscia.
Rob Picciolo? Bench coach since 2010 with 8 years with the organization.
Alfredo Griffin? 14th year with Angels all as first base coach.
The big question is, IF you fire MS14, then who manages the team??
Jim Eppard? He has been a MLB hitting coach for less than a season.
Mike Butcher? 7 years a pitching coach under Scioscia.
Rob Picciolo? Bench coach since 2010 with 8 years with the organization.
Alfredo Griffin? 14th year with Angels all as first base coach.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 12:58 pm to DEANintheYAY
Yea I was reading article at start of year that Scioscia wasn't a fan of trading for Greinke, signing Blanton/Hamilton and had no input on Napoli for Wells trade that occurred.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 12:58 pm to DEANintheYAY
Yea I was reading article at start of year that Scioscia wasn't a fan of trading for Greinke, signing Blanton/Hamilton and had no input on Napoli for Wells trade that occurred.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 1:01 pm to Baloo
well they play in a shite division. A's are overrated, and SEA and HOU are garbage. And its not like the Rangers are that great.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 1:20 pm to Lester Earl
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And its not like the Rangers are that great.
So is the entire AL crap right now?
Posted on 5/9/13 at 1:26 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
. And its not like the Rangers are that great.
Best record in AL = not that greatPosted on 5/9/13 at 1:28 pm to The White Lobster
quote:
Did you just compare Mike Trout to Geovanny Soto?
I'm saying that both were Rookies of the Year. In his second year Soto failed to improve on his ROY performance; currently Trout is in the same boat based on the comments of a prior poster.
Will that continue? Maybe and maybe not. Trout has the misfortune of being in a bad lineup; teams may pitch around him to get to an ailing Pujols or an ineffective Hamilton which will lower his stats.
But we need only look on the Rangers roster to see another former ROY (2010 AL ROY Neftali Feliz) that has significantly declined from his ROY performance and shows no signs of recovery (and before anyone tries to use his 2012 arm surgery as an excuse, he was crap all throughout 2011 and that's why the Rangers signed Joe Nathan the following year).
quote:
What do you mean the Angels luckily get it right on Trout? Of course they did. They drafted him.
I meant in terms of not overpaying him after one good season (given their recent propensity to overpay for talent; see Hamilton, Pujols, probably CJ as well).
Posted on 5/9/13 at 1:31 pm to Quidam65
Well Bob Hamelin and Marty Cordova once were ROY as well...
Posted on 5/9/13 at 1:32 pm to txtiger21
the AL is pretty wide open, imo.
You have talented teams like TOR, TB, and LAA that aren't playing well, when maybe a few teams like BAL, TEX, NYY, Boston even, are playing slightly over their heads.
I think the ANgels have a better shot at chasing down TEX than winning the wild card.
Nothing is written in stone 35 games in.
The NL is much more cut and dry.
You have talented teams like TOR, TB, and LAA that aren't playing well, when maybe a few teams like BAL, TEX, NYY, Boston even, are playing slightly over their heads.
I think the ANgels have a better shot at chasing down TEX than winning the wild card.
Nothing is written in stone 35 games in.
The NL is much more cut and dry.
This post was edited on 5/9/13 at 1:34 pm
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