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re: Should LSU admit the mistake and hire someone now?
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:36 am to CatsGoneWild
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:36 am to CatsGoneWild
I don't know if the budget allows for O to be fired. Still paying Miles too. Hopefully after 2018 O can be gone. Think the buyout falls to $8M then
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Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:36 am to CatsGoneWild
quote:You don't know what Alleva's budget was. I imagine Alexander and politics limited how much Alleva could spend. Alleva didn't have a blank check with state budget problems. The big question for me is who had oversight on the buyout.
Alleva shoulda spent the Big $ the first time around on Jimbo or herman. Ca
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:39 am to airfernando
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Alleva didn't have a blank check with state budget problems.
the school itself only pays like $500k for the coach
TAF handles the vast majority of the salary
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:41 am to CatsGoneWild
It is because they listened to the fan base that LSU is in this situation. It is amazing how fast LSU fans turn. They are like the Razorback fans, which I never thought I would say.
Some of this is on Alleva also, but the fans are trying to run the program and have no clue and do not get it is a rebuild. This was happening whomever the coach was.
Some of this is on Alleva also, but the fans are trying to run the program and have no clue and do not get it is a rebuild. This was happening whomever the coach was.
This post was edited on 10/1/17 at 9:43 am
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:42 am to wildtigercat93
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Yeah the problem is this administration has to point the blame on themselves if they blame O. So it's a real house of frickery up here, and honestly I don't know how easy it is to get rid of a guy like F King.
It's why you should never hire within after a firing. A new coach would have been getting the benefit of the doubt since this both lines are such arse.
They didn't pivot. They hired Cajun les Miles that had the exact "hands off" head coaching philosophy
This post was edited on 10/1/17 at 9:44 am
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:42 am to SlowFlowPro
But we already know FKing is involved. And even Jindal/Edwards seemed involved. Alleva is a shithead but he doesn't have free rein.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:44 am to CatsGoneWild
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Obviously they won't stick with O after this season
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:44 am to airfernando
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You don't know what Alleva's budget was. I imagine Alexander and politics limited how much Alleva could spend. Alleva didn't have a blank check with state budget problems. The big question for me is who had oversight on the buyo
There are much better ways to go cheap than Ed O.
shite if we were that concerned over coaching salary, we should offered O a zero buyout for half of his current salary. He would've taken it. You know how I know? Because he literally had no other options.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:46 am to wildtigercat93
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we should offered O a zero buyout for half of his current salary.
but but but
crootin
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:48 am to wildtigercat93
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shite if we were that concerned over coaching salary, we should offered O a zero buyout for half of his current salary. He would've taken it. You know how I know? Because he literally had no other options.
At that point, neither did alleva. He didn't vet anyone else. The entire benefit of firing Miles in week four was wasted on them
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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but but but crootin
I know you are trying to be sarcastic and all but half the idiots out there did not want O to be successful so they can say stuff like this. But you had to save the class. It amazes me people can not understand sometimes the guys they get to replace guys just aren't as good. It is not the staff's fault, they just did not adapt to college game as well as expected.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:50 am to Dire Wolf
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At that point, neither did alleva. He didn't vet anyone else. The entire benefit of firing Miles in week four was wasted on them
He's like the college kid who puts off his semester long project until he wakes up one day and realizes that it's due next week and he has to try to put something together so he doesn't fail. And his final project ended up being a turd on a piece of paper
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:51 am to sms151t
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d. It is not the staff's fault, t
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they just did not adapt to college game as well as expected.
Why did O spend the entire offseason calling this the greatest freshman class ever?
This post was edited on 10/1/17 at 9:55 am
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:52 am to sms151t
Hell O almost botched the fricking class by stupidly offering that hawaiian kid under the assumption that Kiffin was coming to town, Brennan and Narcisse had to be reeled back in. It was a disastrous move. 7-5 is rebuilding at LSU, 2014 season for instance, not 3-9 and getting man handled at home by fricking Troy.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:56 am to sms151t
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but half the idiots out there did not want O to be successful so they can say stuff like this.
no i have said for years (during Les's tenure) that our fans are irrationally attached to the current recruiting class at the time
that excuse was used for YEARS to defend Miles (if we fire him, we lose this class!) and it was a major factor in hiring O. it is also the excuse for giving him a fully guaranteed contract ("if we don't, then teams will use that against him in recruiting")
recruiting matters, but having one class disrupted is fine, especially if you legitimately improve your coaching
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But you had to save the class.
no
no you don't. there will be more classes. even if we miss on a superstar (Which we likely did by O continuing to slow play Etienne), it won't matter if the coaching sucks. want a great example of this? look no further than leonard fournette. sure he was awesome at LSU and if we missed him it would have hurt, but would it have mattered in the big picture? no. we didn't win shite with LF and having him didn't raise our profile or anything secondary
one class is minuscule in the big picture and that thinking kept miles around for about 5 years longer than he should have been
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:56 am to S
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Hell O almost botched the fricking class by stupidly offering that hawaiian kid under the assumption that Kiffin was coming to town, Brennan and Narcisse had to be reeled back in. It was a disastrous move. 7-5 is rebuilding at LSU, 2014 season for instance, not 3-9 and getting man handled at home by fricking Troy.
Yep. It's not even strictly the losing. It's the complete lack of effort or desire by any of the team. They have no heart, come out flat every game, and don't have the talent to play like they don't give a shite and still pull out wins
You might could string together some hope if we atleast showed some signs of life in these loses.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:56 am to wildtigercat93
So it is the staff's fault the guys they got playing aren't as good as 3 year starters and do not know how to adjust? It amazes me you clowns think you can just plug someone in and just keep rolling. What did Troy have? A Senior ladened offense. It was men vs boys out there.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:58 am to S
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Hell O almost botched the fricking class by stupidly offering that hawaiian kid under the assumption that Kiffin was coming to town, Brennan and Narcisse had to be reeled back in.
oh yeah. i 'member
and he kept the slow playing of TE and led us to miss out on him chasing unicorns (cam akers)
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7-5 is rebuilding at LSU, 2014 season for instance, not 3-9 and getting man handled at home by fricking Troy.
exactly
nobody in this class is valuable enough to sink our entire program for 3 years. NOBODY
hell we could have recruited the next reggie bush and matt leinart and it wouldn't mean shite in the big picture with O running things
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:58 am to sms151t
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It amazes me you clowns think you can just plug someone in and just keep rolling.
with a coach like O, it doesn't matter who you plug in. the results will be terrible
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What did Troy have? A Senior ladened offense. It was men vs boys out there.
HOLY shite
HO
LEE
shite
Posted on 10/1/17 at 10:00 am to sms151t
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So it is the staff's fault the guys they got playing aren't as good as 3 year starters and do not know how to adjust?
It's the players O recruited, and the player O told us would be all Americans all offseason, it's the players he is in charge of their development. Yes it is their fault. That's the entire point of having a coaching staff.
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adjust? It amazes me you clowns think you can just plug someone in and just keep rolling
We did it for close to two decades, what changed in the last year?
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What did Troy have? A Senior ladened offense. It was men vs boys out there.
LSU should never be the "boys" in the scenario. Ever. Jesus Christ I can't believe there's still O excusers left
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