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Screwed up Replay Call
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:23 pm
From the guys at Football Zebras...
I don't understand how Riveron is still employed. He must have nudes of Rog.
quote:
A major failure by centralized replay as a review was made of a play that was not reviewable.
Bills quarterback Josh Allen stepped out of bounds while he threw an incomplete pass landing out of bounds. Referee Bill Vinovich, trailing the play, and not with the best vantage point, ruled that Allen stepped out of bounds prior to releasing the pass. Inside the 2-minute warning, the replay booth stopped the game for a review, which transfers the ultimate call to svp/officiating Al Riveron in the New York headquarters.
But an out-of-bounds call can NEVER be reversed to a subsequent action with the exception of a fumble or loose-ball recovery. In this case, an incomplete pass cannot be ruled, because that presumes additional action beyond the originally ruled dead ball. This could not be a completed pass, so we cannot rule an incomplete pass.
Even though the multiple people in the replay command center dropped the ball, the replay official, the replay assistant, and the alternate replay official in the replay booth AND all 7 officials and the 7 alternates on the field missed this. Someone needed to speak up.
I don't understand how Riveron is still employed. He must have nudes of Rog.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:25 pm to LSUFanHouston
He wasn’t out of bounds when he made the throw which is the additional action
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:25 pm to LSUFanHouston
I’m not going to lose sleep over a technical error that actually gets the call correct.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:25 pm to LSUFanHouston
I wasn't watching the game so I'm a little confused as to what happened
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:26 pm to LSUFanHouston
Yeah, but they got the call correct. Isn't that the most important thing?
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:27 pm to Eat Your Crow
Allen rolled right was near sideline stepping out. Let go of ball Vinovich said foot was down. You could see from front it wasn’t as Allen raised knee to make sure.
The question was did ball get to LOS which it did barely.
The question was did ball get to LOS which it did barely.
This post was edited on 1/24/21 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:32 pm to LSUFanHouston
> A major failure
I’ve seen major failures in sport officiating...this isn’t anywhere close to a major failure
I’ve seen major failures in sport officiating...this isn’t anywhere close to a major failure
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:37 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:Meh. You can't call something that ultimately results in the right call a major failure
A major failure
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:49 pm to LSUFanHouston
Meh, the two best teams won. The PI call in the 1st game sucked only bc it wasn’t consistent with how the refs were calling it. It was 100% the correct call, but call it that way the whole game. This take is a bit bizarre IMO, but I’m an average Joe and don’t know all these technical rules BS.
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:57 pm to LSUFanHouston
At least Bill Vinivoch doesn’t have any recent history with being involved in terrible reffing...oh wait
Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:01 pm to tigerspin
quote:
At least Bill Vinivoch doesn’t have any recent history with being involved in terrible reffing...oh wait
Who is that? And what’s the slight on him? The call sucked. It wasn’t consistent, but TB and KC weren’t going to lose these games. Refs may have influenced something, but let’s chill on the conspiracy shite(Saints excluded).
Posted on 1/25/21 at 12:28 am to Arthur Bach
The Vinivoch crew was over the Saints PI no call.
And I don’t know where you’re getting conspiracy talk in this thread? Just pointing out that maybe Vinivoch isn’t a great ref.
And Al Riveron still sucks.
And I don’t know where you’re getting conspiracy talk in this thread? Just pointing out that maybe Vinivoch isn’t a great ref.
And Al Riveron still sucks.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 6:13 am to AgCoug
quote:Yes.
Yeah, but they got the call correct. Isn't that the most important thing?
I think the major point here is there shouldn’t be rules that disallow a replay to get it right. Especially in really important situations. Let’s have some consistency.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 6:52 am to castorinho
quote:
Meh. You can't call something that ultimately results in the right call a major failure
Agreed. The major failure here is the NFL pigeonholing their replay system to such a stringent set of limitations that a common sense review like the one that took place is illegal
Posted on 1/25/21 at 9:06 am to Tigeralum2008
quote:
Agreed. The major failure here is the NFL pigeonholing their replay system to such a stringent set of limitations that a common sense review like the one that took place is illegal
This. A play that isn't reviewable in Week 6 should not be reviewable in the AFC Champ Game.
It's bad enough we have different ref crews created for playoffs. It's bad enough we have refs who call games differently in the playoffs.
My issue isn't with Vinovich here, he had a bad angle on a tough call. And yes, they got it right eventually. I just wish they could "get it right eventually" all of the time.
Especially in the Saints vs Rams. Yeah, I'm still salty. If Al would have stepped in there, history would be different.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 1:57 pm to tigerspin
quote:
The Vinivoch crew was over the Saints PI no call.
And I don’t know where you’re getting conspiracy talk in this thread? Just pointing out that maybe Vinivoch isn’t a great ref.
And Al Riveron still sucks.
Vinovich was the Referee on the Saint PI no-call, but to say it was "his crew" is misleading in that they don't work in their normal crews in the playoffs.
Vinovich, had no responsibility for the no-call. His DJ and SJ missed it... but Vinovich doesn't have responsibility for that call.
Vinovich is by all accounts and all ratings, one of the top officials at his position year in and year out. Otherwise he wouldn't be consistently assigned to conference championship assignments.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:13 am to LSUFanHouston
Riveron takes instructions well and can keep a secret. Permanent fixture under Rog
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