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re: Safe to say that Herbert should have been the #1 pick in 2020
Posted on 10/5/21 at 4:20 pm to cubsfan5150
Posted on 10/5/21 at 4:20 pm to cubsfan5150
It's always easy to say this well after it has occurred and the players have played for a while.
But sometimes, there are head scratching selections for sure.
But sometimes, there are head scratching selections for sure.
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Posted on 10/5/21 at 4:23 pm to wadewilson
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Has OP come up with a reason for why Burrow has a 113 passed rating to Herbert's 100?
This is going to be a fun bump for me in like 2-3 weeks.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 4:25 pm to cubsfan5150
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I'm guessing that you aren't aware of how rates work
Are you under the impression that throwing the ball less wouldn’t affect the rate at all? Almost like using the running game and being conservative help prevent sacks.
Crazy, I know.
This post was edited on 10/5/21 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 10/5/21 at 4:27 pm to sms151t
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But could the higher rating be due to the less attempts and shorter yards/att and yards/completion?
The formula for Qb Rating weighs completion percentage the most then int% then td% and then ypa.
It’s calculated the inverse of how it should be calculated.
However, it does punish QBs for rushing for yards and tds. That’s why guys like Cunningham, Young, Jackson, and Newton have had lower passer ratings that don’t really accurate reflect their performances.
That’s why most people have reverted to calling it passer rating because it really doesn’t give the full picture of how effective a QB is.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 4:27 pm to cubsfan5150
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I'm guessing that you aren't aware of how rates work
fricking ouch
Posted on 10/5/21 at 4:28 pm to cubsfan5150
First of all, Burrow came into an objectively worse roster and organization.
And secondly, how you're making that drastic of a declaration after week 4 is beside me.
Herbert:
68.9%, 1,178 yards, 9 TDs, 3 INTs, 7.5 YPA, 100.1 Rtg, 59.9 QBR
Burrow:
72.9%, 989 yards, 9 TDs, 4 INTs, 9.2 YPA, 113.8 Rtg, 53.8 QBR
And secondly, how you're making that drastic of a declaration after week 4 is beside me.
Herbert:
68.9%, 1,178 yards, 9 TDs, 3 INTs, 7.5 YPA, 100.1 Rtg, 59.9 QBR
Burrow:
72.9%, 989 yards, 9 TDs, 4 INTs, 9.2 YPA, 113.8 Rtg, 53.8 QBR
Posted on 10/5/21 at 4:34 pm to Kracka
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From a performance and results standpoint, I don't see how one could say that the Chargers are a better organization than Cincy.
3 seasons prior to drafting Herbert the Chargers were 26-22 and 3 seasons prior to drafting Burrow the Bengals were 15-33.
The Chargers not only went to the playoffs in 2018, two years prior to Herbert, but they won a playoff game. The Bengals haven't been to a playoff game since 2015 and haven't won one since 1990.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 4:36 pm to CatfishJohn
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And secondly, how you're making that drastic of a declaration after week 4 is beside me.
I’m going to ignore your first point because we all know OBJECTIVELY that it is FACTUALLY inaccurate, but there is a reason why LSU fans only want to compare the last 4 games instead of the career stats thus far. Hint: Herbert is clearly better.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 4:37 pm to CatfishJohn
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3 seasons prior to drafting Herbert the Chargers were 26-22 and 3 seasons prior to drafting Burrow the Bengals were 15-33.
And 5?
10?
20?
30?
The Bengals tanked 2019. The Chargers didn’t.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 4:38 pm to TheeRealCarolina
Any argument you make just gets discredited on here because you're such a troll. No one takes you seriously.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 4:41 pm to BZ504
I swear Belichick put a curse on AFC East quarterbacks when he took the Pats job
Posted on 10/5/21 at 4:48 pm to CatfishJohn
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Any argument you make just gets discredited on here because you're such a troll. No one takes you seriously.
No I shitpost with facts. Big difference.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 4:50 pm to cubsfan5150
Nah Burrow doing fine
Chicago about to implode over Justin Fields being the bum everyone knew he was, minus SJWs that refused to believe what they could see
Chicago about to implode over Justin Fields being the bum everyone knew he was, minus SJWs that refused to believe what they could see
Posted on 10/5/21 at 4:53 pm to TheeRealCarolina
No you don’t. Your hatred for burrow is obvious…..
Posted on 10/5/21 at 4:55 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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facts
Not the ones that burrow lead in you don’t.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 4:55 pm to cubsfan5150
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Herbert
He didn't look like a top5 pick, especially if you watched oregon games. Kind of shows how mediocre the nfl is.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 4:58 pm to TheeRealCarolina
Win % and Post Season
Chargers: 54.17%, 1 playoff appearance, 1 playoff win
Bengals: 31.25%, no playoff appearances, no playoff wins
Chargers: 43.75%, 2 playoff appearances, 1 playoff win
Bengals: 41.25%, 1 playoff appearance, no playoff wins
Chargers: 48.13%, 4 playoff appearances, 2 playoff wins
Bengals: 48.13%, 5 playoff appearances, no playoff wins
This is the only period the Bengals could be considered about the same. However, far more players and coaches leftover from the 5 year period (and even more from 3 year period)
Chargers: 50.63%, 7 playoff appearances, 5 playoff wins
Bengals: 45.31%, 7 playoff appearances, no playoff wins
Chargers: 49.17%, 10 playoff appearances, 8 playoff wins
Bengals: 41.04%, 8 playoff appearances, 1 playoff win
ETA:
Had to go back to 30 years prior to the Herbert/Burrow draft to find our first Cincinnati playoff win
Also in the last 30 years, the Bengals have had players earn 10 total All-Pro seasons. The Chargers have 26.
It's honestly ridiculous this is a hill people are willing to die on, I can keep going
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3 years
Chargers: 54.17%, 1 playoff appearance, 1 playoff win
Bengals: 31.25%, no playoff appearances, no playoff wins
quote:
And 5?
Chargers: 43.75%, 2 playoff appearances, 1 playoff win
Bengals: 41.25%, 1 playoff appearance, no playoff wins
quote:
10?
Chargers: 48.13%, 4 playoff appearances, 2 playoff wins
Bengals: 48.13%, 5 playoff appearances, no playoff wins
This is the only period the Bengals could be considered about the same. However, far more players and coaches leftover from the 5 year period (and even more from 3 year period)
quote:
20?
Chargers: 50.63%, 7 playoff appearances, 5 playoff wins
Bengals: 45.31%, 7 playoff appearances, no playoff wins
quote:
30?
Chargers: 49.17%, 10 playoff appearances, 8 playoff wins
Bengals: 41.04%, 8 playoff appearances, 1 playoff win
ETA:
Had to go back to 30 years prior to the Herbert/Burrow draft to find our first Cincinnati playoff win
Also in the last 30 years, the Bengals have had players earn 10 total All-Pro seasons. The Chargers have 26.
It's honestly ridiculous this is a hill people are willing to die on, I can keep going
This post was edited on 10/5/21 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 10/5/21 at 5:06 pm to Upperdecker
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hicago about to implode over Justin Fields being the bum everyone knew he was
Lol what? He’s 1-1 as a starter and salted away their other win.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 5:09 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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I’m going to ignore your first point because we all know OBJECTIVELY that it is FACTUALLY inaccurate, but there is a reason why LSU fans only want to compare the last 4 games instead of the career stats thus far. Hint: Herbert is clearly better.
CatfishJohn just fricking buried you with FACTUALLY accurate info. You should just quietly exit the thread now.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 5:24 pm to GynoSandberg
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Herbert is 23 right now
Burrow was 23 when he won the natty
Imagine Herbert in college right now
Burrow is 15 months older than Herbert.
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