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Rich Paul rips NCAA’s new agent rule
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:40 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:40 am
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The harmful consequences of this decision will ricochet onto others who are trying to break in. NCAA executives are once again preventing young people from less prestigious backgrounds, and often people of color, from working in the system they continue to control. In this case, the people being locked out are kids who aspire to be an agent and work in the NBA and do not have the resources, opportunity, or desire to get a four-year degree.
I actually support requiring three years of experience before representing a kid testing the market. I can even get behind passing a test. However, requiring a four-year degree accomplishes only one thing — systematically excluding those who come from a world where college is unrealistic.
Does anyone really believe a four-year degree is what separates an ethical person from a con artist?
Let’s also be clear that once the NCAA requires a four-year degree for athletes “testing the waters,” it’s only a matter of time until this idea is socialized, no longer questioned, and then more broadly applied. We all know how this works. Unfair policy is introduced incrementally so people accept it because it only affects a small group. Then the unfair policy quietly evolves into institutional policy. I’m not sure what the technical term is for that because I didn’t finish college but I know it when I see it.
There are certainly other ways to achieve that goal which don’t lock people out of the system. Why don’t they partner with universities on a one-year program for agents who don’t meet their requirements but want to learn the business? Or work with existing agents who play by the rules to help mentor those who are trying to “break in?”
There’s another practical reason that this rule doesn’t make sense. Respectfully, how do four years studying sports marketing in a classroom make you more qualified to represent a kid than working at Klutch Sports Group or for an NBA front office; or at any other entrepreneurial business for that matter? All this will do is exclude the agents whose life experience helps them understand the needs of many of these players best.
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Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:43 am to Bench McElroy
I have a four year degree, and completely agree with him. I’ve worked with people who don’t have degrees and are fantastic at their job because they’ve had enough experience in the field, while some people with 4 year degrees aren’t great at it.
Obviously Paul has done well for himself so to exclude people like him is a load of crap.
Obviously Paul has done well for himself so to exclude people like him is a load of crap.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:45 am to Bench McElroy
Is Rich Paul actually good at his job, or was he just able to con an idiot into believing in him?
Serious question.
ETA: And yes my question pre-supposes that you think LeBron James is an idiot, because someone who hires an agent because he liked the t-shirts he was trying to sell him at the airport is objectively an idiot.
Serious question.
ETA: And yes my question pre-supposes that you think LeBron James is an idiot, because someone who hires an agent because he liked the t-shirts he was trying to sell him at the airport is objectively an idiot.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 11:47 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:46 am to Bench McElroy
Sort of ironic that you posted this.... I woke up this morning wondering what the frick rich paul thought about the ncaa’s new agent rule
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:46 am to Bench McElroy
He's right. It's stupid.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:47 am to Bench McElroy
In order to get any coaching, admin, teaching, etc, you have to have a degree. It’s been that way for a long time.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:47 am to ProjectP2294
Hes a good agent.
Look at his client list and the money he’s gotten them. Bledsoe, Green, Simmons, etc
Look at his client list and the money he’s gotten them. Bledsoe, Green, Simmons, etc
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:49 am to ProjectP2294
I’d lean to him being good at getting Lebronny.
Lebron basically commands the max so it’s not hard to get him that. He seems to suck if you aren’t LBJ
Lebron basically commands the max so it’s not hard to get him that. He seems to suck if you aren’t LBJ
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:51 am to RogerTempleton
The test is what can he get Simmons once rookie deal is done.
He was just fired by a couple of guys recently. I have a feeling you will see more of that as his non Lebrons end up with bad deals.
He was just fired by a couple of guys recently. I have a feeling you will see more of that as his non Lebrons end up with bad deals.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:52 am to Big4SALTbro
He just makes me think of Tracy Jordan's "son" from the 30 Rock, who was older than him. That's how I picture him and LeBron's relationship. Except on 30 Rock, Tracy knew he was being conned and didn't care.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:54 am to Big4SALTbro
Simmons got a 5 year max deal almost a month ago..
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:55 am to TH03
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He's right. It's stupid.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:55 am to Big4SALTbro
He just got Simmons 170 million this summer.
He got Draymond 100 million which is fair. He got Bledsoe a fat extension last season and most feel Bledsoe is overpaid.
He got Draymond 100 million which is fair. He got Bledsoe a fat extension last season and most feel Bledsoe is overpaid.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:57 am to Bench McElroy
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In this case, the people being locked out are kids who aspire to be an agent and work in the NBA and do not have the resources, opportunity, or desire to get a four-year degree.
I have a lawyer friend who was starting out and almost landed a lottery pick NBA client. Let me tell you, breaking into that industry has very little to do with talent. It is about money, connections, and prestige. Which this rule doesn't really impact.
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However, requiring a four-year degree accomplishes only one thing — systematically excluding those who come from a world where college is unrealistic.
College degrees display a level of proficiency of an individual. Makes all the sense in the world to me that a collegiate organization (NCAA) would want to see a level of competency in understanding college.
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Does anyone really believe a four-year degree is what separates an ethical person from a con artist?
No, but that isn't what they are implying.
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Let’s also be clear that once the NCAA requires a four-year degree for athletes “testing the waters,” it’s only a matter of time until this idea is socialized, no longer questioned, and then more broadly applied. We all know how this works. Unfair policy is introduced incrementally so people accept it because it only affects a small group. Then the unfair policy quietly evolves into institutional policy. I’m not sure what the technical term is for that because I didn’t finish college but I know it when I see it.
Just BS.
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There are certainly other ways to achieve that goal which don’t lock people out of the system. Why don’t they partner with universities on a one-year program for agents who don’t meet their requirements but want to learn the business?
Water down the value of a degree to cater to people who will still have no shot at representing ball players? No thanks.
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Or work with existing agents who play by the rules to help mentor those who are trying to “break in?”
That is called an internship, and they happen already.
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Respectfully, how do four years studying sports marketing in a classroom make you more qualified to represent a kid than working at Klutch Sports Group or for an NBA front office; or at any other entrepreneurial business for that matter? All this will do is exclude the agents whose life experience helps them understand the needs of many of these players best.
False dichotomy. Also, ideally, it would be the 3+ years of law school that would make them more qualified to be an agent, seeing as the job is full of contract law.
Crazy that people are latching onto an anomaly, who by chance got attached to the biggest name in basketball, and expect that to be the norm. There are anomalies in almost any industry, but they are few and far between. So having a good set of rules/qualifications in place for the 99.9% of others (normal), seems like a pretty darn good idea to me.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:57 am to RogerTempleton
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He just got Simmons 170 million this summer.
I could’ve done that
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:58 am to RogerTempleton
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Hes a good agent.
Look at his client list and the money he’s gotten them. Bledsoe, Green, Simmons, etc
Any agent was getting those contracts.
I like what he did for Bazely. Got him a million dollar summer intern gig instead of going to college bball. Also seems to do a good job of leaking stories at the right time.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 12:06 pm to Bench McElroy
Reminder: Rich Paul can still represent players that have no intention of returning to college.
This only effects players that are exploring ther NBA stock, no one else.
This only effects players that are exploring ther NBA stock, no one else.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 12:09 pm to dj30
I think the NCAA agent rule is dumb. A guy who represents some of the top players in the NBA can't represent college kids, but some idiot with a degree can? I think there's a lot more of a risk of some dope who finished at the bottom of his law school class but happens to have a nephew who wants to enter the draft screwing over a player instead of Rich Paul.
If I were Rich Paul, I would enroll at Kentucky or Duke or Kansas or North Carolina or Michigan State.....
If I were Rich Paul, I would enroll at Kentucky or Duke or Kansas or North Carolina or Michigan State.....
Posted on 8/12/19 at 12:12 pm to East Nasty Swaaaaag
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In order to get any coaching, admin, teaching, etc, you have to have a degree. It’s been that way for a long time.
What does that have to do with being an agent?
Posted on 8/12/19 at 12:13 pm to timbo
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I think the NCAA agent rule is dumb. A guy who represents some of the top players in the NBA can't represent college kids, but some idiot with a degree can?
How do you think Rich Paul became an agent?
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