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Recruiting guru Tom Lemming on Kelly's recruting and why M. Freeman is the only move
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:17 pm
Tom Lemming talks Notre Dame's roster future
This podcast is kind of a shite show, but Tom Lemming comes on with a bunch of ex ND players and explains why Marcus Freeman is the best and likely only move ND had in its current situation.
Basically, Lemming said Kelly was lazy recruiter that loved gold too much and that Freeman was the best recruiter ND has had since the 1980s and he is the reason there has been such an uptick this year in NDs class. He said if Freeman was let go or they waited around for Fickel and/or got into a bidding war with him, the talent class would have fallen apart and set the program back significantly.
Also goes into detail about how Kelly talked to the recruits basically only on in-home visits and that he never took advantage of the massive built-in Catholic High School talent base across the country, and regularly got out-maneuvered by the likes of Saban, Dabo, Urban, James Franklin, Lincoln Riley and others.
This podcast was shot before the Freeman rumors were all but official last night, but Lemming said if Swarbrick didn't hire him as HC, the program was about to fall to shambles.
This podcast is kind of a shite show, but Tom Lemming comes on with a bunch of ex ND players and explains why Marcus Freeman is the best and likely only move ND had in its current situation.
Basically, Lemming said Kelly was lazy recruiter that loved gold too much and that Freeman was the best recruiter ND has had since the 1980s and he is the reason there has been such an uptick this year in NDs class. He said if Freeman was let go or they waited around for Fickel and/or got into a bidding war with him, the talent class would have fallen apart and set the program back significantly.
Also goes into detail about how Kelly talked to the recruits basically only on in-home visits and that he never took advantage of the massive built-in Catholic High School talent base across the country, and regularly got out-maneuvered by the likes of Saban, Dabo, Urban, James Franklin, Lincoln Riley and others.
This podcast was shot before the Freeman rumors were all but official last night, but Lemming said if Swarbrick didn't hire him as HC, the program was about to fall to shambles.
This post was edited on 12/2/21 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:19 pm to Jack Ruby
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Lemming said Kelly was lazy recruiter that loved gold
I bet gold rush is his favorite show.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:20 pm to Jack Ruby
ND fans have always blamed kelly for being lazy. That matters at most places, but not LSU. LSU just sells itself and an overturned mop with a bucket for a head would recruit top 10 classes
This post was edited on 12/2/21 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:22 pm to Jack Ruby
Freeman might be great but listening to current and former players or worrying about the recruiting class is always retarded.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:24 pm to Jack Ruby
I didn't know Tom Lemming was still a thing. I remember he hated FSU so much back in the 2000s he'd drop any player who committed to us
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:24 pm to DBG
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Freeman might be great but listening to current and former players or worrying about the recruiting class is always retarded.
You do realize the only reason LSU hired Kelly now instead of after the bowls are done is b/c of early signing period on Dec 15 don't you?
You may as well be shivving your new coach in the back if you think letting a full recruiting class completely collapse is no big deal.
This post was edited on 12/2/21 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:26 pm to Dr RC
You do realize LSU fired Ed Orgeron 6 weeks ago don’t you?
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:27 pm to WestCoastAg
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That matters at most places, but not LSU. LSU just sells itself and an overturned mop with a bucket for a head would recruit top 10 classes
This X2, as well as what most do not understand with only having one P5 school and as powerful as LSU is in the state high school coaches and handlers are very weary of scorning LSU.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:29 pm to pioneerbasketball
ND unloaded their trash on lsu
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:29 pm to Dr RC
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You do realize the only reason LSU hired Kelly now instead of after the bowls are done is b/c of early signing period don't you?
Yeah but we didn’t hire Brian Kelly because of some class we felt we needed to keep around for
That’s not at all the same thing as what that guy was talking about
LSU spent a good 3-4 years at the end of the Miles era giving Les another shot because he always had another “game changer” recruiting class coming in that we couldn’t miss out on. It’s a poor way to make a decision on the guy to lead your program, although it can certainly end up working out in Freeman’s case
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:29 pm to DBG
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You do realize LSU fired Ed Orgeron 6 weeks ago don’t you?
Yes, LSU could not afford to wait for the season to end BECAUSE early signing day is on Dec 15.
This isn't rocket science.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:31 pm to Dr RC
Kelly wasn’t hired to salvage a single recruiting class.
Freeman it seems was hired for that reason only.
Edit- shouldn’t call you a dummy, pal. It’s just a discussion.
Freeman it seems was hired for that reason only.
Edit- shouldn’t call you a dummy, pal. It’s just a discussion.
This post was edited on 12/2/21 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:31 pm to Dr RC
You’re really whiffing on the point
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:35 pm to DBG
I never said Kelly was hired ot salvage a class so...
I said LSU had to hire him now because of early signing day.
You cannot wait for your the season to end anymore. You have to get your coach in place ASAP b/c early signing day is now the defacto real signing day. Normal signing day may as well be call late signing day b/c hardly anyone waits that long now.
Kelly was hired now b/c you have to get his arse out there on the recruiting trail immediately.
In the SECW you can have a top 10 class and still be the 4th or 5th in your own division. If you want to win a title in the conference you cannot backslide to a class in the 20s-30s. You just cant.
It's tRant. No worries mate. Its not for serious.
I said LSU had to hire him now because of early signing day.
You cannot wait for your the season to end anymore. You have to get your coach in place ASAP b/c early signing day is now the defacto real signing day. Normal signing day may as well be call late signing day b/c hardly anyone waits that long now.
Kelly was hired now b/c you have to get his arse out there on the recruiting trail immediately.
In the SECW you can have a top 10 class and still be the 4th or 5th in your own division. If you want to win a title in the conference you cannot backslide to a class in the 20s-30s. You just cant.
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Edit- shouldn’t call you a dummy, pal. It’s just a discussion.
It's tRant. No worries mate. Its not for serious.
This post was edited on 12/2/21 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:40 pm to wildtigercat93
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You’re really whiffing on the point
I get the point. ND hired him b/c they think he's going to continue to kick arse in recruiting as is a great DC who could maybe also be a great HC.
They had to make the move now instead of having a long search b/c Dec 15 looms. If there was no early signing day they'd have done full on search and while he may still have gotten the job there would no longer be the urgency to hire him right this minute.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:44 pm to Mr. Elvert
When you come around on the $100 million man I'll be there to give you a hug and guide you through the stages of grief.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:44 pm to Dr RC
Yea the timing of this week vs. 3 weeks from now is an effort to help the 2022 class. But the credentials of Kelly, or Lincoln Riley, trumps whatever he does in the short terms.
Freeman doesn’t have those credentials and it appears he’s being hired almost entirely for 1 recruiting class. That’s a flawed process and short sighted.
Freeman doesn’t have those credentials and it appears he’s being hired almost entirely for 1 recruiting class. That’s a flawed process and short sighted.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:58 pm to Dr RC
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They had to make the move now instead of having a long search b/c Dec 15 looms. If there was no early signing day they'd have done full on search and while he may still have gotten the job there would no longer be the urgency to hire him right this minute.
Yeah I get why ND chose Freeman. It doesn’t correlate to LSU hiring Kelly is the point you’re whiffing on
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 12:06 am
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:15 am to Dr RC
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only reason
Holy fvcking Simpleton.
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