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re: Non Saints Fans: General Thoughts on Yesterday's Announcements
Posted on 3/22/12 at 8:16 am to HT713
Posted on 3/22/12 at 8:16 am to HT713
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on field vs off field. 3 Sb's vs 1 SB. NFL's big issue (safety) vs one it really has no problem with (cheating).
That's seriously part of your argument? You've said that twice now. If that is really one of your strong points here, then you should just stop.
And I'll give you that cheating isn't as big an issue as safety, but come on, don't act like they don't give a shite about cheating.
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Posted on 3/22/12 at 8:22 am to TH03
Goodell sucks. I hope Danny and Jerruh make him look like a fool in court.
Posted on 3/22/12 at 8:38 am to bddwolfpack
I'm amazed at all the Saints fans that continue to point fingers at the rest of the NFL. Your coach was just suspended for an entire year! Your X defensive coordinator was banned from the league for life!!! That's unprecedented. Stop defending these clowns by claiming every other team in the league runs a bounty program because they don't. Futhermore if I were Tom Benson I'd fire Payton's arrogant arse (SB win or not)for disgracing the organization. Not to mention making himself a liability for an entire year.
This post was edited on 3/22/12 at 8:42 am
Posted on 3/22/12 at 8:44 am to dudeilovebeer
Posted on 3/22/12 at 8:53 am to UnluckyTiger
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I hope Danny and Jerruh make him look like a fool in court.
If Danny and Jerry think that its the smart thing to do to take their cash cow (the NFL), butcher it, and eat some steaks, then they'll sue the NFL over their act of blatantly ignoring the Commissioner and thumbing their noses at the other 30 owners.
Because proving collusion by the owners in court will just be handing the NFLPA everything it needs to break the NFL as we know and love it.
If Danny and Jerry feel that that is a SMART move, then they are a lot more stupid than I ever thought they were.;
Posted on 3/22/12 at 10:08 am to beatbammer
Reading these Saints fans try to minimize the bounty program blows my mind.
1. 'Spygate' is very different. First, the rules were unclear (obviously the intent wasn't unclear, but the rules were). Belichick was operating within a loophole. Second, there was no indication that Belichick ever used signals within the same games, so he essentially only did it to the teams he would play twice a season. Third, coming from the second, it didn't affect the playoffs. Fourth, Belichick immediately and fully cooperated with the NFL, sending them tapes of everything as soon as they asked. There were no denials when his hand was caught in the cookie jar. These reasons are why the Pats didn't get in a lot of trouble. Conversely, the Saints were investigated, denied it, and were told not to do it, then they flagrantly disregarded the league's instructions and continued to deny long after the evidence was overwhelming against them. The approach of the coaches was very different. If Payton had been forthcoming and straightforward rather than obstinate I guarantee he doesn't have half the penalties he does now.
2. There is not an important distinction between being rewarded for injuring a player and being rewarded when you injure a player, a distinction that many Saints fans are trying to establish. As philosophers it is possible to understand a difference between the two but if you think that these players were looking at these rewards semantically or philosophically you obviously don't watch football very much.
3. There is no proof 'everyone else is doing it.' Even if there was proof and other investigations were underway that wouldn't affect the wrongness of the actions of the players and, especially, the coaches.
4. If you didn't wonder about the Saints' D at times over the past few years, especially in the '09 playoffs, then I don't know what to tell you. I was on the field for the NFC championship that year and the way they went after Favre was the worst I'd ever seen a team go after the QB in the pro game.
I had a few more but I've forgotten them.
1. 'Spygate' is very different. First, the rules were unclear (obviously the intent wasn't unclear, but the rules were). Belichick was operating within a loophole. Second, there was no indication that Belichick ever used signals within the same games, so he essentially only did it to the teams he would play twice a season. Third, coming from the second, it didn't affect the playoffs. Fourth, Belichick immediately and fully cooperated with the NFL, sending them tapes of everything as soon as they asked. There were no denials when his hand was caught in the cookie jar. These reasons are why the Pats didn't get in a lot of trouble. Conversely, the Saints were investigated, denied it, and were told not to do it, then they flagrantly disregarded the league's instructions and continued to deny long after the evidence was overwhelming against them. The approach of the coaches was very different. If Payton had been forthcoming and straightforward rather than obstinate I guarantee he doesn't have half the penalties he does now.
2. There is not an important distinction between being rewarded for injuring a player and being rewarded when you injure a player, a distinction that many Saints fans are trying to establish. As philosophers it is possible to understand a difference between the two but if you think that these players were looking at these rewards semantically or philosophically you obviously don't watch football very much.
3. There is no proof 'everyone else is doing it.' Even if there was proof and other investigations were underway that wouldn't affect the wrongness of the actions of the players and, especially, the coaches.
4. If you didn't wonder about the Saints' D at times over the past few years, especially in the '09 playoffs, then I don't know what to tell you. I was on the field for the NFC championship that year and the way they went after Favre was the worst I'd ever seen a team go after the QB in the pro game.
I had a few more but I've forgotten them.
This post was edited on 3/22/12 at 10:11 am
Posted on 3/22/12 at 10:10 am to RollTigers
Is this the thread where all the self righteous posters hop on their unicorns and parade around?
Posted on 3/22/12 at 10:11 am to Chad504boy
no, that's every thread in the saints talk board.
Posted on 3/22/12 at 10:18 am to RollTigers
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no, that's every thread in the saints talk board.
Not necessarily but that's what a guy riding his self righteous unicorn would say right now when they are marching in the parade they've been waiting years for.
Posted on 3/22/12 at 10:20 am to RollTigers
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I was on the field for the NFC championship that year and the way they went after Favre was the worst I'd ever seen a team go after the QB in the pro game.
Lighten up, Frances.
Posted on 3/22/12 at 10:24 am to Chad504boy
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Is this the thread where all the self righteous posters hop on their unicorns and parade around?
No this is the thread where non-biased sports fans (or at least some of us) talk about what the saintards on this board don't seem to understand because it is their team.
Posted on 3/22/12 at 10:26 am to arseinclarse
I wasn't exaggerating. Rewatch the game. The violence was incredible. It was like watching the Bama-Arkansas game this year.
Posted on 3/22/12 at 10:30 am to arseinclarse
After reading the PDF I'm just amazed by how stupid Payton and the rest of the organization were.
If the bounty program wasn't a big deal (as a lot of people say, and fwiw I agree that its probably fairly widespread, at least to some extent) then why continue to do it after you know the league is investigating and after you've lied to them? Baffling.
Payton is lucky he's a pro coach. I don't like Goodell but this is nothing compared to what the NCAA would have done.
If the bounty program wasn't a big deal (as a lot of people say, and fwiw I agree that its probably fairly widespread, at least to some extent) then why continue to do it after you know the league is investigating and after you've lied to them? Baffling.
Payton is lucky he's a pro coach. I don't like Goodell but this is nothing compared to what the NCAA would have done.
Posted on 3/22/12 at 10:32 am to RollTigers
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. I was on the field for the NFC championship that year and the way they went after Favre was the worst I'd ever seen a team go after the QB in the pro game.
have you only been watching pro football since Goodell took over? good god, some of you sound just as ridiculous as the tards over on the Saints board trying to defend the stupidity from GW, Payton, and Loomis. Look, I'm not gonna defend the cover-up that the coaches, GM tried to pull off. That was actually worse than the crime itself and that is why we got penalized so hard. Also, I don't like the direction that the NFL is headed in personally. Defenses can't really hit anyomre, teams are being penalized for hard hits that aren't even hits to the head. There were several games this year where you saw this. And it doesn't bother most until their team is the one getting flagged for it. One of these days, it is gonna cost a team in a big game and thats unfortunate. I realize the league feels like it has a responsibility to players safety and they have to do what they think is the best. Not everyone will buy into what they are selling, fair or not. As far as what the Saints are going through, they've been through worse, they'll bounce back.
This post was edited on 3/22/12 at 10:34 am
Posted on 3/22/12 at 10:38 am to LooseCannon22282
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have you only been watching pro football since Goodell took over? good god, some of you sound just as ridiculous as the tards over on the Saints board trying to defend the stupidity from GW, Payton, and Loomis. Look, I'm not gonna defend the cover-up that the coaches, GM tried to pull off. That was actually worse than the crime itself and that is why we got penalized so hard. Also, I don't like the direction that the NFL is headed in personally. Defenses can't really hit anyomre, teams are being penalized for hard hits that aren't even hits to the head. There were several games this year where you saw this. And it doesn't bother most until their team is the one getting flagged for it. One of these days, it is gonna cost a team in a big game and thats unfortunate. I realize the league feels like it has a responsibility to players safety and they have to do what they think is the best. Not everyone will buy into what they are selling, fair or not. As far as what the Saints are going through, they've been through worse, they'll bounce back.
Solid post
Posted on 3/22/12 at 10:44 am to RollTigers
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I was on the field for the NFC championship that year and the way they went after Favre was the worst I'd ever seen a team go after the QB in the pro game.
I thought they definitely made it a point to punish Favre - but the idea this is different and worse than what has gone on in the NFL for years is just not realistic IMO. The Saints were wrong in two major areas: allowing money to change hands (explicitly against the NFL's rules) and lying about the program once the NFL found out about it.
I don't think that anyone familiar with the way QBs (and NFL players in general) have been punished by defenses over the years could argue that the punishment the Saints inflicted was different or worse than what has been generally applauded as good smash-mouth football over the last forty years
If you disagree I think Terry Bradshaw, Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Dan Fouts, Jim McMahon (even lesser players like Bobby Hebert) would beg to differ - because those guys were targets and the goal of most every defense they faced was to hit them hard enough that they would no longer be effective (or were knocked out of the game).
The primary error the Saints made was the creation of the bounty program - because their play on the field was just not atypical of what the NFL has actively encouraged and even romanticized
Posted on 3/22/12 at 10:44 am to RollTigers
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I was on the field for the NFC championship that year and the way they went after Favre was the worst I'd ever seen a team go after the QB in the pro game.
So why did Favre say it was just normal football? (paraphrasing)
Posted on 3/22/12 at 11:40 am to molsusports
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I thought they definitely made it a point to punish Favre - but the idea this is different and worse than what has gone on in the NFL for years is just not realistic IMO.
The first goal of any defense is to make the QB "uncomfortable". You hear it in every game analysis whether it's college or Pro. Yes, this means getting shots on the QB ... it doesn't necessarily mean illegal or cheap shots. People crying about the Saints going after Favre need to pay more attention to what goes on in every game.
Posted on 3/22/12 at 12:24 pm to LooseCannon22282
Fair enough. I didn't get into sports until 2005 really so I have been watching Goodell-ball. For today's standards, that was a mauling. I'm sure we can agree on that much
Posted on 3/22/12 at 12:49 pm to Chad504boy
Wolf is a trolling bandwagon douche who thinks he knows a lot more than he does
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