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Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:48 pm
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Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:56 pm to MrLSU
What is the argument by the General Counsel for just football and basketball players? I understand those are the sports that make money, but I don’t think there’s any legal precedent for revenue affecting employment status.
It seems like for a court opinion, either all of them, including athletes in unprofitable sports, are employees or all of them are not.
It seems like for a court opinion, either all of them, including athletes in unprofitable sports, are employees or all of them are not.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 12:14 am to MrLSU
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the NLRB General Counsel would have USC treat its football and basketball players as workers who must be paid a wage, not students who receive scholarships or who desire to participate in extracurricular sports on a voluntary basis.
Who wrote this? Avery Brundage?
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The athlete, he stated, should compete "for the love of the game itself without thought of reward or payment of any kind," with professionals being part of the entertainment business.
Amateurism, to Brundage, expressed the concept of the Renaissance man, with abilities in many fields, yet a specialist in none."
Yeah, the College sports that negotiate billions to TV Networks are part of the entertainment business.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 12:16 am
Posted on 5/19/23 at 12:41 am to MrLSU
Here’s my question
Are only the biggest revenue institutions to treat athletes as employees, or is everyone in the FBS? FCS? D2? D3? to do so?
Are only the biggest revenue institutions to treat athletes as employees, or is everyone in the FBS? FCS? D2? D3? to do so?
Posted on 5/19/23 at 12:50 am to MrLSU
A labor board is in favor of unionization?
I'm shocked. Absolutely shocked.
Certainly this must be the first time a labor board has made such a claim.
I'm shocked. Absolutely shocked.
Certainly this must be the first time a labor board has made such a claim.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 4:11 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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The athlete, he stated, should compete "for the love of the game itself without thought of reward or payment of any kind," with professionals being part of the entertainment business. Amateurism, to Brundage, expressed the concept of the Renaissance man, with abilities in many fields, yet a specialist in none."
Every college sports fan should support this statement.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 5:22 am to ForeverEllisHugh
Time evolved. The universities at major programs make shite tons of money and have on the backs of "amatuers who played for the love of the game" for over a century. About time the kids got a piece of the pie. The scholarships in this current world are useless unless you're a willing participant in social and political propaganda. They aren't enough anymore. The education isn't worth the paper the scholarships are printed on.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 5:22 am to ForeverEllisHugh
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Every college sports fan should support this statement.
Brundage was a supreme douche.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:32 am to MrLSU
This is the thing that will destroy college athletics, and the people hurt the most are the athletes in non-revenue sports.
This is a pure "cutting off your nose to spite your face" scenario.
This is a pure "cutting off your nose to spite your face" scenario.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:33 am to chalmetteowl
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Are only the biggest revenue institutions to treat athletes as employees, or is everyone in the FBS? FCS? D2? D3? to do so?
Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:36 am to lsufanva
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The universities at major programs make shite tons of mone
No. A very select few make shite tons from football.
Almost every athletic department is partially funded from their university's general fund, in addition to this revenue. As the school gets smaller, this number gets bigger (proportionately).
Also, the "arm's race" in the major programs in major sports is from donations, not revenue. You destroy college athletics and these donations dry up.
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About time the kids got a piece of the pie.
By killing the golden goose and making college athletics implode?
If you're not the most elite of the elite, you will have to disband college sports. Tens of thousands of putative college athletes will not get scholarships after that. Real good system you're promoting. Won't hurt anybody.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 6:38 am
Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:41 am to Wally Sparks
100 years ago players were getting money under the table to play and many were kids being pulled out of coal mines and factories with no real interest in school.
The idea of a pure college football untainted by money has been a fantasy for almost as long as the game has been around.
I don't see how a court can get rid of scholarships as long as they are required to be students although they do currently receives stipends and universities pay for insurance to protect elite players from loss of future pro earnings through injury.
The idea of a pure college football untainted by money has been a fantasy for almost as long as the game has been around.
I don't see how a court can get rid of scholarships as long as they are required to be students although they do currently receives stipends and universities pay for insurance to protect elite players from loss of future pro earnings through injury.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:53 am to MrLSU
They won't like being treated as employees.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:58 am to meansonny
I mean, the NLRB has been in the back pocket of big-business for a long time now.
I get the core of what you are saying… but I think you’re significantly diminishing just how different it is for them to take this position. This is not just some business as usual stance for the NLRB to take.
I get the core of what you are saying… but I think you’re significantly diminishing just how different it is for them to take this position. This is not just some business as usual stance for the NLRB to take.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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This is the thing that will destroy college athletics, and the people hurt the most are the athletes in non-revenue sports.
This will not destroy college athletics. Did you know the largest division of the NCAA is Division III as measured by schools.
You can still have golf and tennis and swimming at USC and LSU. The students are on academic or merit or financial need based scholarships. Really no difference in that instead of being on an athletic scholarship you are on a different type of scholarship. Scholarships are scholarships. The main difference is that an athlete could quit the wrestling team and still maintain their scholarship. So coaches just can't pull a scholarship.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:16 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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Really no difference in that instead of being on an athletic scholarship you are on a different type of scholarship.
Oh do explain the details of this "totally not a big deal" change.
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Did you know the largest division of the NCAA is Division III as measured by schools.
And you think D3 can afford to pay employee wages, benefits, etc? These are the athletes hurt most, b/c those schools will have to shut down all sports.
Very few schools ADs can't survive without money from the general fund. How are they going to pay salaries in addition to their current costs?
Or are you suggesting schools stop offering scholarships and the traditional inducement package to give kids minimum wage "salaries"? That won't come out in favor of the students, either
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 7:18 am
Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:37 am to TomRollTideRitter
I think the representatives wanted the separation to bolster pay scale narratives when negotiating a collective bargaining agreement as the plan seems to be some sort of unionization. Seems they believe the employee designation will hurt if the overall athletic department is viewed as the controlling interest.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:47 am to TomRollTideRitter
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seems like for a court opinion, either all of them, including athletes in unprofitable sports, are employees or all of them are not.
This.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:49 am to lsufanva
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The universities at major programs make shite tons of money and have on the backs of "amatuers who played for the love of the game" for over a century. About time the kids got a piece of the pie.
This is going to absolutely destroy college athletics. Maybe not football, but it will 100% kill all other sports.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:16 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Maybe not football, but it will 100% kill all other sports.
And your average SEC football fan won't care.
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