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NFL owners to vote on rule change that would allow a fourth-and-15 onside kick alternative
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According to NFL.com, the Eagles have proposed a rule that would give teams an alternative option to the onside kick. Instead of trying to recover an onside kick, teams would have the option of attempting to convert a fourth-and-15 play from their own 25-yard line. If they get the 15 yards, they get a first down and keep possession of the ball. If they don't get the 15 yards, the other team would take over possession from wherever the play ended.
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For the rule to pass, 24 of the NFL's 32 owners would have to vote on it at their next meeting, which will be held virtually on May 28.
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A big reason the competition committee liked the idea is because the success rate for onside kicks has fallen dramatically under the NFL's new kickoff rules, which were implemented in 2018. Under the new rules, players aren't allowed to get a running start, which makes it almost impossible to recover an onside kick. The onside recovery rate was just 7.5 percent in 2018 (4 of 53), which was a dramatic decrease over the 21.7 percent recovery rate from 2017 (13 of 60), when the running start was still permitted. In 2019, the onside rate went up to 12.5 percent (7 out of 56), but that was largely thanks to Falcons kicker Younghoe Koo, who converted two in one game.
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If you're wondering how exactly the play would be officiated, all normal rules would apply, so if a defense got called for defensive holding, the five-yard penalty would result in an automatic first down for the offense. Also, if the offense got penalized, they wouldn't be allowed to then kickoff after the penalty is enforced. They'd have to run a fourth-down play from their new line of scrimmage, so an offensive holding penalty would lead to a fourth-and-25 from the 15-yard line, and if the offensive team didn't convert, the defensive team would take over on downs from where the play ended.
Would you want to see this implemented? Sadly I think kickoffs will be obsolete in the near future so I could see this getting passed.


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A big reason the competition committee liked the idea is because the success rate for onside kicks has fallen dramatically under the NFL's new kickoff rules, which were implemented in 2018. Under the new rules, players aren't allowed to get a running start, which makes it almost impossible to recover an onside kick. The onside recovery rate was just 7.5 percent in 2018 (4 of 53), which was a dramatic decrease over the 21.7 percent recovery rate from 2017 (13 of 60), when the running start was still permitted. In 2019, the onside rate went up to 12.5 percent (7 out of 56), but that was largely thanks to Falcons kicker Younghoe Koo, who converted two in one game.


I get it but still feels like you're trying to manufacture drama here. 4th and 15 feels too easy and punishes the team with the lead. 4th and 25? Sure.
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No, sounds disjointed and out of place. Half of fans don’t know what’s going on during the game or understand current rules or calls, would be even more shite people would annoy you with if this passed


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I like it


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4th and 15 feels too easy and punishes the team with the lead. 4th and 25? Sure.



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I would prefer they go back to the old kickoff rules of letting the players get a running start, but that isn't happening so I'd be fine with this.

My only issue is terrible refs calling a BS penalty that would gift the offense a 1st down.


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My only issue is terrible refs calling a BS penalty that would gift the offense a 1st down.



This. They'd have to change the auto first down rules or so many receivers will just bait holds and PI


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No, sounds disjointed and out of place. Half of fans don’t know what’s going on during the game or understand current rules or calls, would be even more shite people would annoy you with if this passed

that’s what announcers are for


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My only issue is terrible refs calling a BS penalty that would gift the offense a 1st down.


This would be my biggest problem with it. And if there is a 5 yard penalty on the defense, then we're doing a 4th and 10? No thanks.


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re: NFL owners to vote on rule change that would allow a fourth-and-15 onside kick alternative
You can see the exact moment Arkansas PIIHB on that blonde chick.


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I get it but still feels like you're trying to manufacture drama here. 4th and 15 feels too easy and punishes the team with the lead.


I mean, chuck it deep and draw a pass interference call. That seems like it would have a 50% success rate. For a team like Kansas City, it would be like playing "make it take it" pickup basketball against a slow, short, fat kid.


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A big reason the competition committee liked the idea is because the success rate for onside kicks has fallen dramatically under the NFL's new kickoff rules, which were implemented in 2018. Under the new rules, players aren't allowed to get a running start, which makes it almost impossible to recover an onside kick. The onside recovery rate was just 7.5 percent in 2018 (4 of 53), which was a dramatic decrease over the 21.7 percent recovery rate from 2017 (13 of 60), when the running start was still permitted. In 2019, the onside rate went up to 12.5 percent (7 out of 56), but that was largely thanks to Falcons kicker Younghoe Koo, who converted two in one game.

Here's a thought. Why not just change the rules for onside kicks to what they were prior


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re: NFL owners to vote on rule change that would allow a fourth-and-15 onside kick alternative
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I get it but still feels like you're trying to manufacture drama here. 4th and 15 feels too easy and punishes the team with the lead. 4th and 25? Sure


Exactly. An onsides kick was a variation of the normal sequencing of the game. This feels like you’re just shoehorning a dramatic situation in. Also feel like you’re likely allowing more “penalty that results in first down” judgement calls to influence games.

Much like the horrible rebranding efforts for the sake of change they need to pump the fricking brakes here.
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And if there is a 5 yard penalty on the defense, then we're doing a 4th and 10? No thanks.


No, for most defensive penalties, it's a first down. I may be forgetting one, but I think offside is the only one that isn't an automatic first. Personal fouls, holding, and pass interference are all automatic first downs.


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re: NFL owners to vote on rule change that would allow a fourth-and-15 onside kick alternative
Offside is actually what I had in mind saying that. The automatic first down would be even worse.


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re: NFL owners to vote on rule change that would allow a fourth-and-15 onside kick alternative
Was kinda ok with it until I read this....

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If you're wondering how exactly the play would be officiated, all normal rules would apply, so if a defense got called for defensive holding, the five-yard penalty would result in an automatic first down for the offense.


Knowing NFL refs, this would be a trainwreck.
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re: NFL owners to vote on rule change that would allow a fourth-and-15 onside kick alternative
It should be 4th and 20, and you cannot get a first down by PI or holding. You just yardage and its 4th and 20 again until you get 20 yards by making an actual play.


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re: NFL owners to vote on rule change that would allow a fourth-and-15 onside kick alternative
Football is going to eventually legislate itself out of existence. It feels like we have major rules changes every year now. Was it always like this?


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