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re: ND schedule, not SEC caliber, but harder than I thought
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:24 pm to boom roasted
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:24 pm to boom roasted
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I agree. I was looking at this the other day. Definitely not a Boise St. type schedule. They've played some tough teams.
I don't know how it will end up this year, but Boise State's schedule hasn't been as weak as SEC fans seem to think the last couple of years. At between 60 - 65 out of 124 teams, I would call that average, and it's actually been stronger than perrenial Big Ten power Wisconsin in both 2010 and 2011, and stronger than the SEC's Kentucky in 2010.
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Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:43 pm to St Augustine
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Purdue, Pitt, Wake all suck arse
They are WAAAAAAAAAAY better than Western Carolina, Auburn, Western Kentucky, and FLorida Atlantic
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:47 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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They are WAAAAAAAAAAY better than Western Carolina, Auburn, Western Kentucky, and FLorida Atlantic
So what?
Honestly. The way we rate SOS is insane. I don't care if one team plays tougher "easy" games. I care what they do against elite competition. Notre Dame partisans shouldn't point that Navy and BC are better than the crappy teams on the bottom of other team's schedules, they should point to Stanford and OU.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:54 pm to Baloo
ND doesn't have to defend itself about anything this season. I don't like the Domers but they've earned it with a win Saturday.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:57 pm to VABuckeye
I think they have to. Which is why I pointed to the things Irish partisans should be arguing. But arguing about the bottom half of your schedule being better than your rivals' bottom half is a stupid, pointless argument. Yes, it's true. The crappy teams Notre Dame beat are better than the crappy teams anyone else beat. This just in: it's still a bunch of crappy teams and arguing you beat Navy and Purdue is a completely uncompelling argument.
I'm more attacking the idea of rating a schedule by its weakest parts.
I'm more attacking the idea of rating a schedule by its weakest parts.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:58 pm to trackfan
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and stronger than the SEC's Kentucky in 2010.
well take away their national title
Posted on 11/18/12 at 9:59 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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They are WAAAAAAAAAAY better than Western Carolina, Auburn, Western Kentucky, and FLorida Atlantic
not in any meaningful way
Posted on 11/18/12 at 10:15 pm to Baloo
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Honestly. The way we rate SOS is insane. I don't care if one team plays tougher "easy" games. I care what they do against elite competition. Notre Dame partisans shouldn't point that Navy and BC are better than the crappy teams on the bottom of other team's schedules, they should point to Stanford and OU.
Its pretty common to see very good teams lose to Wake Forest caliber teams, you never see them lose to Western Carolina
Posted on 11/18/12 at 10:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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not in any meaningful way
Exactly. The "our cupcakes are better than your cupcakes" argument is so pointless. Who cares if your cupcake is Western Kentucky or Purdue? If you're arguing about Top 10 teams, then talk the top end teams they play which should actually challenge them.
Arguing whether Western Kentucky is better or worse than Wake Forest or Pittsburg is pointless when a TOP 10 team should be playing 3rd stringers against of these by the second half anyway.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 10:22 pm to wm72
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Who cares if your cupcake is Western Kentucky or Purdue?
for starters, those schools belong to AQ conferences, so obviously the talent level is superior.
one is much more likely to go undefeated vs a schedule full of sun belt schools than against a schedule full of Big12 schools, etc..
Posted on 11/18/12 at 10:36 pm to rocket31
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for starters, those schools belong to AQ conferences, so obviously the talent level is superior.
I agree with your point to some extent though I'm not sure it's quite as big as you make it seem between a Purdue and Western Kentucky. I'd go with that talent gap for, say, Michigan State or Miami 100% even if they're not having a great years but not as much with Purdue or Wake.
You see Auburn being bashed as an opponent here when they'll probably end up with more NFL players off their current roster than all these other "cupcakes" that have been mentioned combined.
Again, if see my post on page three, I'm not knocking ND's schedule at all because they play 3 Top 20 type teams in Stanford, Oklahoma, Michigan and decent teams with some talent in USC, BYU and Mich State, Miami.
That's a pretty solid slate.
This post was edited on 11/18/12 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 11/18/12 at 10:39 pm to wm72
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I agree with your point to some extent though I'm not sure it's quite as big as you make it seem between a Purdue and Western Kentucky.
recruiting rankings suggest otherwise.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 10:45 pm to rocket31
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recruiting rankings suggest otherwise.
Well, they also suggest Auburn is better than Stanford.
Recruiting rankings are a good tool but there's a lot of nonAQ teams that have much more comparable talent than in the past compared to lower tier AQ schools.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 10:46 pm to rocket31
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for starters, those schools belong to AQ conferences, so obviously the talent level is superior.
sure but they still blow so their talent level if all vastly inferior to a legit team
once you get past #50-60 it's all the same, regardless of how shitty that team is. they're all shitty
it's like comparing 2 stars. one is 1 light year away. 1 is 10 light years away. obviously the one 10 light years away is a lot further away from earth, but in reality it doesn't matter b/c both are so fricking far away they'll never affect us
This post was edited on 11/18/12 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 11/18/12 at 10:47 pm to wm72
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Recruiting rankings are a good tool but there's a lot of nonAQ teams that have much more comparable talent than in the past compared to lower tier AQ schools.
NFL draft data suggests otherwise. hell, purdue (the team you have been picking on) has been putting out 1st/2nd round talent for years now.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 10:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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regardless of how shitty that team is. they're all shitty
according to what?
lets stick to at least some semblance of statistical evidence here...
Posted on 11/18/12 at 10:52 pm to rocket31
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according to what?
their effects/threat to a legit top team
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lets stick to at least some semblance of statistical evidence here...
that's pretty much impossible
i've never understood the logic in arguing which auto-win was better than the other auto-win. they're all auto-wins
i've argued for 9 years that SOS should only take into account the top 4-6 teams on a schedule
Posted on 11/18/12 at 10:52 pm to rocket31
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NFL draft data suggests otherwise.
Based on your premise, you must rate Auburn as one hell of a tough game this year?
Maybe I'm wrong and you're right that Purdue's roster is overflowing with talent like some past teams but I'd be pretty surprised.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 10:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i've never understood the logic in arguing which auto-win was better than the other auto-win. they're all auto-wins
because one has a statistically greater chance of losing to purdue on any given year than they do vs western kentucky.
the talent level is just superior and the NFL drafts and recruiting rankings confirm as much.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 10:55 pm to wm72
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you must rate Auburn as one hell of a tough game this year?
that one anecdotal example is just not statistically significant whatsoever.
in general, the trend is for the poverty AQ schools (such as purdue) to be more talented than nonAQ schools (such as wku).
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Maybe I'm wrong and you're right that Purdue's roster is overflowing with talent like some past teams but I'd be pretty surprised.
i never said that, but they put players into teh league a consistent rate. they will likely have another 1st rounder this year as well.
This post was edited on 11/18/12 at 10:58 pm
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