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NCAA vs Pros- Basketball

Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:19 am
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
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Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:19 am
I admittedly am not a basketball guy. Haven't watch a full game in well over 20 years...

Looking at the 32 teams that played yesterday in the NCAA tournament, the average score a 71.75 points per team.

Of the 18 NBA teams that played yesterday, they averaged 107.94 points per team.

So I want to know from those that watch regularly: Is the discrepancy in scoring exclusively due to the level of talent offensively at the NBA level or the fact that defense is not a priority? Or a solid combination of both?

TIA
Posted by craigbiggio
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:21 am to
You know NBA has longer games and a shorter shot clock, right?
Posted by Winston Cup
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Member since May 2016
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Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:21 am to
longer shot clock in college 35 vs 24
nba 48 minutes, college 40
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
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36582 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:22 am to
NBA has a shorter shot clock, plays faster and the game is 8 clock minutes longer
This post was edited on 3/16/18 at 11:23 am
Posted by Harry Caray
Denial
Member since Aug 2009
18636 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:23 am to
NBA has:

24 second shot clock instead of 30
48 minutes instead of 40
Wider lanes
Much, much, much better shooters
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
Down Seven Bridges Rd
Member since Sep 2015
3284 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:23 am to
quote:

You know NBA has longer games and a shorter shot clock, right?


Nope, I didn't know this. Again, I haven't watched a game in over 20 years.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:23 am to
ncaa offensive talent sucks for the most part
Posted by SoFunnyItsNot
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:24 am to
Also most games in the NBA they don't play great defense. While in college its more of a "every game matters" attitude
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:24 am to
I would start with the game is 8 minutes shorter and the shot clock is 6 senonds shorter in college. If you make the college game 48 minutes without changing the shot clock you already get to about 95 ppg.
Posted by El Campo Tiger
El Campo, TX
Member since Mar 2015
10118 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:24 am to
quote:

You know NBA has longer games and a shorter shot clock, right?



In the WC Semifinals, Game 5, SAS vs LAL, the final score was 73-72, with the same parameters and guidelines as today. What changed in 14 years?

Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
6362 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:25 am to
Defenses teams can run also.

NBA is a league where individual talent means all. Defensively you will never see a team in the NBA be able to run a defense like what we saw Buffalo run against Arizona. It is illegal and is why a player like Ayton should, key word here, "translate" to the NBA. Also why NBA executives eye college basketball based on skill, athleticism, individual defense, and ability to create their own shot.

In short, college is more of a team game where you can run complex zone defenses where every player defends like one body, but in the NBA it is illegal and the individual talent is so good at creating shots it doesnt work.

NBA product is a way better product and it isnt close.
Posted by Harry Caray
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:26 am to
quote:

Also most games in the NBA they don't play great defense. While in college its more of a "every game matters" attitude

1. Spare me
2. Considering the regular season in college is 30 games to the NBA's 82, of course every game matters more.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
11700 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:29 am to
Besides whats been pointed out already, a better comparison would be the average score of an NBA team during the playoffs. I would also look at points per possession more than average score.

I don't have those stats for you, but I think it would answer your question some.
This post was edited on 3/16/18 at 11:30 am
Posted by SoFunnyItsNot
Member since Mar 2013
4623 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:35 am to
whats your deal? don't get so upset by something we agree with. He asked a question and I answered it. And yeah the countless clips of James Harden playing defense supports my argument. And that just ONE player
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10520 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:36 am to
quote:

In the WC Semifinals, Game 5, SAS vs LAL, the final score was 73-72, with the same parameters and guidelines as today. What changed in 14 years?


Mike D'antoni and his 7 second offense really changed the league. In the early 2000's, teams like SA relied on long set plays and taking time off the shot clock. Now the best offensive teams all play at an insane pace. The increased pace of today and the emphasis on the 3 ball have made scoring skyrocket.
Posted by Harry Caray
Denial
Member since Aug 2009
18636 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:37 am to
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And that just ONE player
So you admit your research is anecdotal
Posted by SoFunnyItsNot
Member since Mar 2013
4623 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:38 am to
NBA fans get so butthurt when defending the NBA over college. Unfortunately they will never have as great of an event as march madness I think it truly pains them being second fiddle when it comes to postseason so they go out of there way to explain how the NBA is better basketball.

Wait professionals play the game better than mid major college kids???? No fricking shite Sherlock.
This post was edited on 3/16/18 at 11:39 am
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
11897 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:38 am to
NBA doesn't call traveling.
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10520 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:42 am to
quote:

Also most games in the NBA they don't play great defense. While in college its more of a "every game matters" attitude


This is the lazy go to talking point. Sure, some games players obviously don't care as much - but for the most part the defense isn't really the difference in scoring. The skill of an NBA offensive player is just so much better than the typical college player.

Defense is all about effort and athleticism. For the most part, there isn't a lot of room to grow on the defensive side for a college player to the NBA, so the defensive abilities aren't that different between NBA and college players. On offense, however, the best college players are usually freshman who have a long way to go in developing their "peak" offensive game (shooting, reading and reacting to defenses, learning how to go from being the guy with the ball in your hands every play as a HS phenom to whatever your role is at the next level). It usually takes a few years for a pro to develop their offensive game. So in the NBA, you have vastly superior offensive players compared to college, while the differences in defensive abilities are not that drastic.
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10520 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:46 am to
quote:

NBA fans get so butthurt when defending the NBA over college. Unfortunately they will never have as great of an event as march madness


For the mainstream fan, the tourney is >>>>>>> NBA playoffs. From an excitement standpoint, it definitely is more exciting because of upsets.

But I know a lot of basketball junkies, myself included, who prefer the NBA playoffs because of the fun and exciting player/team matchups and the level of the product on display. I will admit that with the current Warriors juggernaut almost making the postseason a formality, the excitement for me has gone down quite a bit.
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