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CarolinaGamecock99
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NCAA says California schools could be banned from championships if bill isn't dropped
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The NCAA is ratcheting up its opposition to a California bill that would allow college athletes in the state to earn compensation for the use of their own name, image or likeness, beginning in 2023.
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In a letter to the chairs of two State Assembly committees last week, NCAA President Mark Emmert implied that if the bill becomes law as it is written, California schools could face the prospect of being prohibited from participating in NCAA championships. That includes 23 NCAA Division I schools, four of which are in the Pac-12 Conference
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TH03
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NCAA says California schools could be banned from championships if bill isn't dropped


They've self banned for awhile now in football and basketball.


bigberg2000
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re: NCAA says California schools could be banned from championships if bill isn't dropped
Its ridiculous that kids cant make money off of their name.


GetCocky11
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As a conference with 190 women's team national championships (per Wiki), I bet there are a lot of nervous women's sports people in the Pac12 right now considering 99.9999% of Pac12 women athletes wouldn't benefit from this bill.


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Tiger Prawn
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They have to know the NCAA wouldn't go for this, so I wonder if their endgame is to pass the bill knowing its going to get challenged in court by the NCAA, PAC-12 and member schools in California with the state hoping that it eventually gets to the US Supreme Court and gets a ruling that changes everything nationwide for the NCAA.


JetsetNuggs
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It's almost like the NCAA is begging people to hate them


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JJ27
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They have to know the NCAA wouldn't go for this, so I wonder if their endgame is to pass the bill knowing its going to get challenged in court by the NCAA, PAC-12 and member schools in California with the state hoping that it eventually gets to the US Supreme Court and gets a ruling that changes everything nationwide for the NCAA.




They live in their own little world. They didn't think this through to that depth.


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ThePTExperience1969
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LOL good luck challenging that shite under the Contracts Clause considering how SCOTUS eviscerated it during the Lochner era and they rarely rule on these cases anymore, it is what it is


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Its ridiculous that kids cant make money off of their name.


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Tiger Prawn
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Its ridiculous that kids cant make money off of their name.
I'll play devil's advocate.

If NCAA allows student athletes to profit off their name while still maintaining NCAA eligibility, its ripe for abuse and its going to make the gap between the top tier programs and everyone else even bigger.

School wants a big time recruit? Now a booster can offer them big bucks and not even have to try and hide it. They can just offer the money in exchange for a few commercials or personal appearance at the booster's business, contingent on the player signing with that school. Obviously schools with top tier programs will have more wealthy boosters willing to do such a thing, so its a huge advantage in recruiting on top of all their existing advantages.

If it happens then the NCAA might as well split Divison 1 for basketball and football to put Power 5 conferences in their own division...and maybe for baseball too.


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School wants a big time recruit? Now a booster can offer them big bucks and not even have to try and hide it. They can just offer the money in exchange for a few commercials or personal appearance at the booster's business, contingent on the player signing with that school.


I actually prefer that no one would have to hide it any more. If the FBI revelations should have done anything, it's emphasize how prevalent money is.

Also, recruiting power is already pretty unbalanced. Football or basketball, the little guys aren't beating out the big guys for 5 stars.


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slackster
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If NCAA allows student athletes to profit off their name while still maintaining NCAA eligibility, its ripe for abuse and its going to make the gap between the top tier programs and everyone else even bigger. School wants a big time recruit? Now a booster can offer them big bucks and not even have to try and hide it. They can just offer the money in exchange for a few commercials or personal appearance at the booster's business, contingent on the player signing with that school. Obviously schools with top tier programs will have more wealthy boosters willing to do such a thing, so its a huge advantage in recruiting on top of all their existing advantages.


I know you're playing devil's advocate, but I really wonder how much this would increase. I tend to think the money being spent on football programs and athletes is pretty much maxed out. Allowing kids to be paid on their likeness probably just moves money rather than creating new dollars in the system.

In other words, Big Jim is going to give Generic State $10,000 this year. If kids can make money on their likeness, Big Jim gives the kids $10,000 instead. It's a zero sum game within the system itself.


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School wants a big time recruit? Now a booster can offer them big bucks and not even have to try and hide it. They can just offer the money in exchange for a few commercials or personal appearance at the booster's business, contingent on the player signing with that school.


This, unfortunately would be the result. All some big money Texas booster would have to do is guarantee the No. 1 recruit in the country that he will be paid $500K for an autograph.


Olric
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This, unfortunately would be the result. All some big money Texas booster would have to do is guarantee the No. 1 recruit in the country that he will be paid $500K for an autograph.


So what? Why should he have to provide his talents for below market value? If someone is willing to pay him 500k to go to their school, so be it


Bluefin
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re: NCAA says California schools could be banned from championships if bill isn't dropped
Urban Meyer's health depends on the outcome of this bill.


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Tigerfan56
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re: NCAA says California schools could be banned from championships if bill isn't dropped
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This, unfortunately would be the result. All some big money Texas booster would have to do is guarantee the No. 1 recruit in the country that he will be paid $500K for an autograph.


Yes this would happen, and it would worsen the product for me as a fan. But that is not a legitimate reason that players shouldn’t be able to make money off their name. If someone wants to pay them $500k for an autograph, it’s fricked that they aren’t allowed to do that.

This website by and large loves capitalism very much. Then you see these threads come up and people suddenly are against players being compensated what the market is willing to give them


Bestbank Tiger
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re: NCAA says California schools could be banned from championships if bill isn't dropped
NCAA isn't thinking this through. If they do automatic probation/postseason ban for California schools, those schools can form their own conference and land a decent TV contract. Unless the NCAA tries to make deals with every network to not carry the games. And then they get hit with an antitrust suit.

Plus with that lead time, other states can jump on board and put the NCAA in a weaker bargaining position.


nugget
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They have to know the NCAA wouldn't go for this, so I wonder if their endgame is to pass the bill knowing its going to get challenged in court by the NCAA, PAC-12 and member schools in California with the state hoping that it eventually gets to the US Supreme Court and gets a ruling that changes everything nationwide for the NCAA.


This is exactly what is going to happen. Interested to see how the court rules.


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Sid in Lakeshore
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players being compensated what the market is willing to give them



Well they already do receive payment for their services. We are just now debating about the cap on that payment.

If they want to receive more, they should go pro, IMO.


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beaverfever
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I tend to think the money being spent on football programs and athletes is pretty much maxed out. Allowing kids to be paid on their likeness probably just moves money rather than creating new dollars in the system.
I think you’re way off.


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