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MLB Hall of Fame candidate: Tommy John?
Posted on 7/25/22 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 7/25/22 at 6:47 pm
Statistically he doesn't have the numbers to get in.
But his willingness to have ligament replacement surgery in the 1970's not only extended his career but likely thousands of other pitchers as well. So much so that the surgery is usually called Tommy John surgery.
If the Baseball Hall of Fame exists to honor those who have contributed to the game of baseball, should his willingness to be a medical guinea pig earn him entry?
Should Tommy John be in the Baseball Hall of Fame?
But his willingness to have ligament replacement surgery in the 1970's not only extended his career but likely thousands of other pitchers as well. So much so that the surgery is usually called Tommy John surgery.
If the Baseball Hall of Fame exists to honor those who have contributed to the game of baseball, should his willingness to be a medical guinea pig earn him entry?
Should Tommy John be in the Baseball Hall of Fame?
This post was edited on 7/25/22 at 6:49 pm
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 7:01 pm to Quidam65
Marginal as a player... but due to the injury/surgery comeback I would say he has a case.
288 wins is nothing to laugh at, but his ERA+ is only 111. That's not enough better than his peers on its own.
288 wins is nothing to laugh at, but his ERA+ is only 111. That's not enough better than his peers on its own.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 7:11 pm to Quidam65
It's called Hall of Fame, right? His career numbers combined with a successful elbow surgery that has since become commonplace and was named after the guy gives him a pretty good case, IMO.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 7:15 pm to Quidam65
I was thinking about this yesterday. I would put him in. He was willing to do what no one else would do at the time. Arm injuries then would end careers. Thanks to the success of the ligament replacement, the procedure is named after him. And hundreds of careers have been extended because of it.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 7:43 pm to Quidam65
Probably not but God I'd take his October arm right now for some of these Yanks now.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 7:44 pm to Quidam65
his arm should be a plaque, and put in for the surgery that bears his name.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 8:24 pm to Quidam65
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Tommy John
Id vote him in, but id put Will Clark, Fred McGriff, Don Mattingly, and Dale Murphy in first.
And id take Harold Baines, Goose Gossage, Ted Simmons, and Bert Blyleven out second.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 8:57 am to SportsGuyNOLA
quote:
Id vote him in, but id put Will Clark, Fred McGriff, Don Mattingly, and Dale Murphy in first.
And id take Harold Baines, Goose Gossage, Ted Simmons, and Bert Blyleven out second.
Will Clark .303 2,176 hits 284 HR 1,205 RBI
Dale Murphy .265 2,111 hits 398 HR 1,266 RBI
Harold Baines .289 2,866 hits 386 HR 1,628 RBI
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:29 am to LSU82BILL
Its not a lifetime achievement award.
How many people thought Harold Baines was ‘great’?
Will Clark was one of the most popular and feared hitters in the game when he played.
Dale Murphy was a back-to-back MVP and had the 2nd highest homer total in the 80’s.
How many people thought Harold Baines was ‘great’?
Will Clark was one of the most popular and feared hitters in the game when he played.
Dale Murphy was a back-to-back MVP and had the 2nd highest homer total in the 80’s.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:48 am to SportsGuyNOLA
quote:
Its not a lifetime achievement award.
That's exactly what it is.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:55 am to LSUPHILLY72
Tommy John is probably the most influential pitcher in past 45 years. Not because of anything he did on the field in terms of wins/losses, but what he came back from and the surgery named after him
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:01 am to Quidam65
Maybe his Surgeon and his left arm should go in together.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:05 am to OchoDedos
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Maybe his Surgeon and his left arm should go in together.
Tommy John and Dr. Frank Jobe as a pairing. I would agree, it's not like John did the surgery on himself.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:20 am to Quidam65
quote:Both will be inducted at some point.
Tommy John and Dr. Frank Jobe as a pairing.
If a pitcher starts his Big League career tomorrow and - regardless of how many years it takes - has 288 wins when it's over, will he be worthy of the HOF?
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:21 am to Quidam65
Don Mattingly not being in the hall is a travesty.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:24 am to Damathe
I doubt we will ever see a pitcher win 288 games again…..
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:31 am to dukke v
quote:Fair enough - neither do I.
I doubt we will ever see a pitcher win 288 games again…..
But dude would be a first ballot HOF. Winning 288 games is ridiculous however it was done.
200 is the new 300 and that's gonna really be stretching it.
Eta: Maybe Baines is a good comparison. Played for 21 years and didn't average 20 HR per year. Longevity got him in.
Can't the longevity criteria be used for John's 288 Wins?
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 10:49 am
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:40 am to Damathe
Tommy John surgery has changed everything about baseball, from roster construction to pitching styles. Pitchers having no fear of damaging their UCLs (and in many cases coming back stronger) kind of indirectly lead to TTO baseball and the rise of strikeouts.
When you look at it like that, there is no question that he should be in the hall of fame.
When you look at it like that, there is no question that he should be in the hall of fame.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:54 am to VADawg
quote:Well, you are obviously a brilliant poster!
Tommy John surgery has changed everything about baseball, from roster construction to pitching styles. Pitchers having no fear of damaging their UCLs (and in many cases coming back stronger) kind of indirectly lead to TTO baseball and the rise of strikeouts.
When you look at it like that, there is no question that he should be in the hall of fame.
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