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re: Mike Leach's CFB Playoff Rant
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:31 pm to sms151t
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:31 pm to sms151t
quote:I also think there's way too many damn teams in D1.
The bylaw isn’t retarded it’s people that don’t understand you have to have percentage of teams in a playoff
quote:I think they can be exciting, but shitty ways of naming a champions. NFL isn't too bad. They only allow 12 teams and there's a ton of parity in the league. There's not enough parity in college football right now to justify a 24, 18, or however many team playoff. 8 is about the max. If you can't finish in the top 8, you don't deserve it.
I guess you don’t think NFL Nfhs etc are good things either?
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Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:36 pm to pvilleguru
Okay let’s take UCF as an example (devils advocate of course)
Why should they be punished if nobody will go to Orlando to play them they’re not ranked highly to begin with yet they did what they’ve been asked won their games
How can you justify them being out?
Schedule? Well why should they always have to travel
They didn’t play anyone? See above
G6 teams aren’t good. See Boise Coog High
I think it has to be 12 all FBS champs plus 2 or all FBS top Indy and plus 1. However a conference decides the rep is it’s own business.
Why should they be punished if nobody will go to Orlando to play them they’re not ranked highly to begin with yet they did what they’ve been asked won their games
How can you justify them being out?
Schedule? Well why should they always have to travel
They didn’t play anyone? See above
G6 teams aren’t good. See Boise Coog High
I think it has to be 12 all FBS champs plus 2 or all FBS top Indy and plus 1. However a conference decides the rep is it’s own business.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:42 pm to sms151t
quote:They should realize that they are playing against a stacked deck and drop down a division just like every other team on their schedule. That at least gives them something to play for besides an outside shot at a bowl game against a P5 conference runner up. It's fricking ridiculous to have 128 (or whatever the number currently is) teams "playing" for 1 championship.
Why should they be punished if nobody will go to Orlando to play them they’re not ranked highly to begin with yet they did what they’ve been asked won their games
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:44 pm to pvilleguru
oh so you are not in favor of finding the best team or a champion, just the teams that have most money and network backing
Okay thanks
Okay thanks
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:52 pm to sms151t
quote:I don't have a huge problem with that. But as long as there's 100+ teams in the FBS, I don't really care about a team like UCF.
oh so you are not in favor of finding the best team just the teams that have most money and network backing
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:57 pm to pvilleguru
But that goes back to my previous post about acknowledging your limitations.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:04 pm to pvilleguru
I’m not saying you’re right or wrong I just think we need to have a transparent legitimate way and definition of what we’re trying to find at end of each year.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:56 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
It's fricking ridiculous to have 128 (or whatever the number currently is) teams "playing" for 1 championship.
What a stupid arse argument.
So they should drop down to a level that has 124 teams?!?
ETA: Just saw your post about "too many teams in D1" while only referring to FBS. Guess I shouldn't be surprises about the dumbassery that followed.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:01 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:There's 120+ teams in FCS as well. That's too many. It's not a problem that's unique for FBS.
Just saw your post about "too many teams in D1" while only referring to FBS. Guess I shouldn't be surprises about the dumbassery that followed.
250+ teams playing for 2 trophies in D1 is absurd.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:06 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
There's 120+ teams in FCS as well. That's too many. It's not a problem that's unique for FBS.
Other than some conferences having too many teams, they don't seem to have an issue with it.
And the playoff works well at that level, if they would just seed everyone 1 to 24. The regionalization is the only stupid crap they pull.
Not to mention the fact that 29 (3 conferences) of those teams don't even participate in the playoffs.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:08 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:That still leaves 100 teams playing for 1 trophy.
Not to mention the fact that 29 (3 conferences) of those teams don't even participate in the playoffs.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:10 pm to pvilleguru
So?
The regular season and conference play weeds it down to 24 teams.
I see no issue with that.
You really think making teams drop would change anything about the playoffs?
The regular season and conference play weeds it down to 24 teams.
I see no issue with that.
You really think making teams drop would change anything about the playoffs?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:17 pm to Cowboyfan89
Number of different teams to win championships at each level since 2000:
FBS: 10
FCS: 10
D2: 8
D3: 5
Unless you are going to create 4 more divisions, nothing will change. Less than 10% of the division is going to win the championships. Way less in the case of D3.
FBS: 10
FCS: 10
D2: 8
D3: 5
Unless you are going to create 4 more divisions, nothing will change. Less than 10% of the division is going to win the championships. Way less in the case of D3.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:18 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:I've already said that I hate large playoffs and if they are necessary at all, which they are in football, then they should be as small as possible. You can easily cut each division down to 64 or 40 teams and have an 8 team playoff.
You really think making teams drop would change anything about the playoffs?
Would probably even create more parity in each division.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:20 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:I'm up for it.
Unless you are going to create 4 more divisions,
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:24 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
You can easily cut each division down to 64 or 40 teams and have an 8 team playoff.
Would probably even create more parity in each division.
How? You think having an 8 team playoff changes App State and North Dakota State dominating the FCS the way they did during their title runs?
You think it changes Alabama dominating the FBS discussion?
Or Mount Union or Wisconsin-Whitewater in D3?
It doesn't matter how many teams you have in a division, the same teams will be the cream of the crop year after year, because they are just better than the competition.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:35 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:The amount of teams in the playoff isn't really going to change that, it just makes sure the best or most deserving (whichever you value more) team wins the championship. And it makes sure the regular season is extremely important, because you'll be playing every team in your conference.
You think having an 8 team playoff changes App State and North Dakota State dominating the FCS the way they did during their title runs?
quote:The same teams may still be at the top, but it could close the gap in talent, making it tougher for one team to dominate as much as they currently do.
It doesn't matter how many teams you have in a division, the same teams will be the cream of the crop year after year, because they are just better than the competition.
Didn't realize there would be this much push back against making it easier for more teams to win a championship.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 8:49 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
The same teams may still be at the top, but it could close the gap in talent, making it tougher for one team to dominate as much as they currently do.
Key word--COULD. No guarantee it would. Amazingly stupid argument. Alabama was a middle of the pack SEC team before Saban showed up. Same for LSU. Same for Clemson and Dabo. Sam Houston wasn't much until they started recruiting better. Same for Southeastern.
quote:
The amount of teams in the playoff isn't really going to change that, it just makes sure the best or most deserving (whichever you value more) team wins the championship.
So which teams that have won titles since 2000 at any level did not fit this description? I mean, you seem to be hell bent on "ensuring the best teams are in the playoffs". So who didn't deserve to be in? Who wasn't the best or most deserving team to win a Title?
quote:
Didn't realize there would be this much push back against making it easier for more teams to win a championship.
Because it's as ridiculous as the split in the LHSAA. If you want to play for National titles, move down, or get better. But to do some form of relegation and create more championships cheapens the ones you create, because they are only being created to give mediocre teams a chance to win titles. It's not going to change who the better teams are at the current levels.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:07 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:What's that got to do with this?
Alabama was a middle of the pack SEC team before Saban showed up. Same for LSU. Same for Clemson and Dabo. Sam Houston wasn't much until they started recruiting better. Same for Southeastern.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:21 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:Why's that a bad thing.
because they are only being created to give mediocre teams a chance to win titles.
There's 250+ teams in D1, 173 teams in D2, 200+ teams in D3, etc. Why is this acceptable? Most of these teams have never played for a title and never will. Why is it a bad thing for more people to end the season on a high note? It even makes it more likely that you have more turnover of the top team in the current divisions. Much easier for a middle of the pack team to win when the middle of the pack is #20 instead of #60.
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