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Louisiana's Football Playoffs
Posted on 11/7/17 at 2:12 am
Posted on 11/7/17 at 2:12 am
I saw a 4-6 Mandeville High team made the playoffs. Is this a result of removing private schools from the bracket? Pearl River High had 3 wins and a win by forfeit and also made it.
This post was edited on 11/7/17 at 2:15 am
Posted on 11/7/17 at 2:31 am to JabarkusRussell
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I saw a 4-6 Mandeville High team made the playoffs. Is this a result of removing private schools from the bracket?
Mandeville is 4-5, and just beat St Pauls to get themselves in the playoffs. They're a solid team that started slow because their head coach quit right before the season started.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 3:35 am to JabarkusRussell
Pretty much. Franklinton made it at 3-7, they played a hard schedule this year but still 3 win teams shouldn't be in the playoffs.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 5:34 am to JabarkusRussell
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Is this a result of removing private schools from the bracket?
Yes, it is. High school playoffs (especially football) in Louisiana are nothing more than participation events now. The #1 seed in 1A has a bye in Rd 1 because South Cameron said they didn't want to participate in the playoffs.
There has been at least 1 year where an 0-10 team made the playoffs (may have also been South Cameron). It's a complete joke now.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 5:57 am to JabarkusRussell
Shaw is 0-10 and in playoffs.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 6:04 am to Riolobo
Do they serve beer in the superdome for the championship weekend?
Posted on 11/7/17 at 7:17 am to JabarkusRussell
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Is this a result of removing private schools from the bracket?
Yes, they split the playoffs but not the actual districts. As a result you get some districts with 1 or 2 privates in the larger classes and districts with 1 or 2 publics in some lower classes. So in order to get a representative from each district in the playoffs, they take teams with losing records in the playoffs. Additionally, there may not be enough teams with winning records to fill the brackets for the same reasons, lower classes private heavy, upper public heavy.
It has always been theoretically possible since the districts do not use a tiebreaker format to determine district champs and the district is determined solely on district record. So with 7 teams in your district, you could go 4-2 in district, lose all your out of district games, tie another team at 4-2 in district and be co-district champ at 4-6, potentially tied with an 8-2 team and knocking out a marginal 6-4 team (even one that may have beaten your team).
Posted on 11/7/17 at 7:26 am to Cowboyfan89
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High school playoffs (especially football) in Louisiana are nothing more than participation events now.
That's true in the initial round, maybe 2. Once those teams have been weeded out, it is much more competitive. And to the high school kids competing, it means something. They're not as jaded as we adults, they just want to play football.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 7:41 am to JabarkusRussell
absurd we now have 10 different "state champions" or whatever.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 8:56 am to Draconian Sanctions
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absurd we now have 10 different "state champions" or whatever.
9.....but it's still absurd.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:40 am to GeauxColonels
long way from 3 9-1 top 5 ranked teams being left out of the playoffs class 4a,3a and 2a....back before wildcards and 5a
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:05 pm to mdomingue
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And to the high school kids competing, it means something. They're not as jaded as we adults, they just want to play football.
So what you're saying is, we've taught our kids to accept the "take your ball and go home" mentality when the other guys are better and you can't beat them?
The kids didn't make the decision to split the championships. I agree with that, 100%. And I know they are just glad to be out there playing, no matter the circumstances. But I don't see how any of them could not look back in 10 years and see how watered down the system is now. Does that make the championship mean less? No.
The real nonsense of it all is the number of championships won by public schools vs private schools was pretty even before the split, at least at the higher levels.
The split should have only affected the smaller schools.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:14 pm to clhstrojans
quote:They are not a solid team, they're bad. And St Pauls was awful this year so don't go by that.
They're a solid team that started slow because their head coach quit right before the season started.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:15 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:they will, and will also look at what happened before the split to understand why it was done
But I don't see how any of them could not look back in 10 years and see how watered down the system is now.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:50 pm to Cowboyfan89
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The real nonsense of it all is the number of championships won by public schools vs private schools was pretty even before the split, at least at the higher levels.
might want to look back at when ECA was in 5a and JC in 4a.....the tape tells a different story
Posted on 11/7/17 at 2:41 pm to JabarkusRussell
5A has 51 teams... 32 get in... low seed is 4-6
4A has 49 teams... 32 get in... low seed is 5-5
3A has 50 teams... 32 get in... low seed is 3-7
2A has 42 teams... 32 get in... low seed is 2-8
1A has 32 teams... all 32 get in... 31 seed is 1-9, 32 seed is 0-9 and declined to play
DI has 13 teams... all get in... low seed is 0-10
DII has 16 teams... all 16 get in... but three teams decided not to play... so the 13 seed is 3-7 (teams not playing are 3-7, 3-6, and 0-10)
DIII has 14 teams... all 14 got in but the 14 seed (1-8) isn't playing... 13 seed is 2-8
DIV has 26 teams... 16 get in... low seed is 3-7
4A has 49 teams... 32 get in... low seed is 5-5
3A has 50 teams... 32 get in... low seed is 3-7
2A has 42 teams... 32 get in... low seed is 2-8
1A has 32 teams... all 32 get in... 31 seed is 1-9, 32 seed is 0-9 and declined to play
DI has 13 teams... all get in... low seed is 0-10
DII has 16 teams... all 16 get in... but three teams decided not to play... so the 13 seed is 3-7 (teams not playing are 3-7, 3-6, and 0-10)
DIII has 14 teams... all 14 got in but the 14 seed (1-8) isn't playing... 13 seed is 2-8
DIV has 26 teams... 16 get in... low seed is 3-7
Posted on 11/7/17 at 2:48 pm to Cowboyfan89
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The real nonsense of it all is the number of championships won by public schools vs private schools was pretty even before the split, at least at the higher levels.
Evangel won every title when they were in 5A but 2. West Monroe won in 2000. Hahnville won in 2003, beating Evangel by a touchdown. In the entire time Evangel was in 5A, they didn't make it to the Dome once, 2000.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 2:57 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:quote:they will, and will also look at what happened before the split to understand why it was done
But I don't see how any of them could not look back in 10 years and see how watered down the system is now.
Will they? And will they all agree? There are 2 names that show up a lot. Evangel and John Curtis. Here are the select state champs from 2000 until the the year before the split. 2013 was the firs year of the split
5A 4 in 13 years 3 of those were Evangel
2001 Evangel Christian
2002 Evangel Christian
2004 Evangel Christian
2012 Rummel
4A 5 in 13 years 3 were John Curtis
2001 John Curtis
2002 John Curtis
2003 Redemptorist
2004 John Curtis
2012 Edna Karr
3A 9 in 13 years 5 were Parkview
2000 Notre Dame
2001 Parkview Baptist
2002 Redemptorist
2005 Redemptorist
2007 Parkview Baptist
2009 Notre Dame
2010 Parkview Baptist
2011 St. Charles
2012 Parkview Baptist
2A 9 in 13 years 6 were John Curtis, 2 were Evangel
2000 Ouachita Christian
2005 John Curtis
2006 John Curtis
2007 John Curtis
2008 John Curtis
2009 Evangel Christian
2010 Evangel Christian
2011 John Curtis
2012 John Curtis
1A 6 in 13 years 2 were John Curtis
2003 Vermilion Catholic
2004 Dunham
2005 Evangel Christian
2006 Evangel Christian
2011 Ouachita Christian
2012 Ouachita Christian
33 of 65 were won by select schools. 32 by non select
Of the 33 wins, 9 by John Curtis, 7 By Evangel. Almost half by 2 schools. And only 2A and 3A were majority select. 1A was nearly split with 6 select/7 non select.
Personally, I think the split is kinda dumb.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 3:10 pm to Riolobo
quote:True. Which is who Catholic plays first round... So yes, that is a joke game for them
Shaw is 0-10 and in playoffs.
However, for them to win the title, Catholic will then have to beat St. Aug, Evangel, and Curtis in consecutive rounds
So I wouldnt exactly say that is a watered down title run. The new format just lends to some really bad first rounds or 2
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