re: Least Talented Team to Win NBA Finals

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His offensive was improved but his decline in defense was more pronounced.

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There wasn't a decline in his defense. In 1992-93 his Defensive Win Share was 8.0 and in 1993-94 it was 7.9, the second and third best of his career. Don't tell me you're only looking at his blocked shots averages?

To add to that, his overall Win Shares for those two seasons were 15.8 and 14.3 respectively, BY FAR the best of his career.

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He was a marginally more efficient shooter from the field, not from the free throw line though.

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Better FG%, TS% (or total shooting %, if you will) and eFG%. Better across the board.

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PER doesn't measure defensive performance.

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Defensive statistics are factored in. Which should matter to you since you're only using blocked shots to measure his defensive prowess.

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That's also when Jordan was out of the league and he had his best supporting casts.

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Jordan has absolutely nothing to do with this. They were in different conferences.

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You're wrong about this. There's more to the game than PER.

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You're an idiot, Gamecock, as usual. I've actually watched his games and statistics back me up.

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If Rip would of stayed on the Wizards he would of averaged 25 ppg in his prime

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i'm not sure where he was going with that

2011 Mavs gets my vote as the most remarkable playoff run/championship of all time.

That team was going only far as Dirk took them, and they beat some damn good teams in the process.

When the 2nd best player on a championship team is a toss up between Jason Terry and Tyson Chandler...wow. Dirk is the man.

The Mavs run in 2011 is being massively overrated the team was 55-18 in games Dirk played in. The only reason they weren't one of the favorites going in to the playoffs is because they are good every year and people like to hype up new teams. They aren't even one of the top 5 least talented teams

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Check the Defensive Ratings out.

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Oh, 95 and 96 as opposed to 93? A marginal decline in one category. Great point.

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Steals and Blocks only tell part of the story. You know this. Defensive Rating is what you have to look at.

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If only it were that simple. Again, 95 and 96 as opposed to 93? A marginal decline in one category. Great point.

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Well hell I'm sure Jordan had nothing to do with Malone, Stockton, Barkley, Mullin, etc. never winning a title either, because you know, other conference and all.

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WTF does that have to do with what Hakeem did or didn't accomplish in 1990?

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I watched them when they happened.

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No you didn't.

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Sure, if you only look at PPG and PER (the latter of which heavily depends on the former).

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No, you idiot. I already posted his defensive stats and accomplishments.

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The 94-95 Rockets were 47-35 and the 6th seed in the West. Their two best players were past their primes, granted both were HOFers.

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Damn, an old, past his prime Hakeem still found a way to drop 33 and 12 on a young, uber-athletic Shaq. Interesting.....

Why do you even bother? ANYONE who actually watched the game knows that his prime was in the mid-90s. This kid probably wasn't even old enough to watch those years and is going only off of stats....and still making a shitty argument!

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Oh, 95 and 96 as opposed to 93? A marginal decline in one category. Great point.

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Like I said, his decline in defense was greater than his offensive improvement. But you are too stupid to understand that.

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If only it were that simple. Again, 95 and 96 as opposed to 93? A marginal decline in one category. Great point.

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It is that simple. The lower the number, the better the defender.

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WTF does that have to do with what Hakeem did or didn't accomplish in 1990?

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Who said anything about 90? You were talking about when he won titles. He only won those titles when Jordan was out of the league. You then said it didn't matter like a fool.

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No you didn't.

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This is where you wave your white flag because you know you are wrong.

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No, you idiot. I already posted his defensive stats and accomplishments.

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And his defensive stats were worse after he turned 30. How are you this stupid? He was out of his prime when he won those titles - which he only won because Jordan was out of the league.

Hell what next? Dirk was in his prime in 2010-2011 because that's when he won his title? Mitch Richmond was in his prime in 2002 when he won a title with the Lakers? Hell Shaq and Gary Payton won a title for the Heat in 2006, were they in their primes then too?

Idiot. Be gone.

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DPOY

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He wasn't the best defender that year and his defense wasn't as good as it was before. How is this so hard for you to understand?

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MVP

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Cool. He wasn't the best player at his position in the league.

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led his team to the championship as its only superstar,

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He had a great supporting cast.

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the second best PER

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PER is nothing but a offensive stat.

You are a fool. Loud one at that.

Either way, you can frick off now.

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It drives me crazy when people use these advanced metrics to say how good or bad a certain player was each year when they didn't even see them play.

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That's all well and good, but I did see Hakeem play. Behind Jordan and Shaq, he was my favorite player to watch. Dream Shake

If you catch me talking about the ABA or any basketball before like '85, then please feel free to say something.