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Kyrie Irving: There's no defense played in the NBA, we're playing like teams from the '60s

Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:16 am
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:16 am
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Kyrie Irving is a prolific scoring point guard who dropped 43 points on the Toronto Raptors on Friday, and he had kudos for counterpart Kemba Walker of Charlotte for scoring 60 against Philadelphia on Saturday and then 43 on the Celtics Monday. Walker then scored 43 in Monday night’s 117-112 win over the Celtics.

Yet, he has a theory why the NBA is seeing all these high-scoring games. Klay Thompson scored 52 two weeks ago in Chicago. LeBron James ran up 51 on Miami on Sunday. Scoring in the NBA is soaring.

“I think not a lot of defense is being played,” he said prior to the game. “Teams are scoring like it’s the 1960s or ’70s. It’s 132 to 112, 142 to 121. There’s no defense. There’s just none. We got into a Utah-Boston game and it’s [98-86] and you can see the difference in effort in every single night, which I get from an NBA player’s standpoint, the amount of games we play, but sometimes you have to make guys miss.

“We’re all NBA players and if you see an open look at the rim, I’m pretty sure we’re going to knock it down over 50 percent of the time if it’s wide open. More or less no defense and effort. That’s what it comes down to; nobody should be scoring that many points.”

Irving was adamant about crediting the skill of the offensive players but he said defense have to react accordingly.

“You have to give credit to the offensive players for making the shots but also I think the emphasis on making double-teaming and just getting the ball out of someone’s hands,” he said. “Just doing the little things to help your teammates guard a great player or a great team, just a total team effort and team collective activity to kind of limit those high scoring games.”


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Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:17 am to
Kyrie > Lebron
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:18 am to
“I told you there’s no defense in the NBA”
- MSB, shortly after this post.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:19 am to
This is why 80’s stats are shite.

You think defense is bad now??

Go watch some clips of typical NBA games in the 1980’s
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 8:20 am
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:23 am to
Ironic that Kyrie says that, because he's not exactly a good defender himself.
Posted by Nonetheless
Luka doncic = goat
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:24 am to
All the old men here should love it because no defense was played in the 80s or 60s either
Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:25 am to
But the MSB told me different
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:27 am to
There’s not any defense played in the NBA or NFL and it makes for a shitty product
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:28 am to
It’s because teams are running the floor like crazy this year and getting a ton of transition buckets.

Faster pace = more possessions per game = more opportunities to score = more points.

Transition defense is the most difficult aspect of defense to do well.




To illustrate, last season the team with the fastest pace had a pace of 101.6. This season, that would only be good enough for 14th in the league. The team with the fastest pace this season has a pace of 107.12. That is WAY faster than the fastest team last season.

If you look at the defensive ratings this season and compare them to last season, they’re roughly the same.
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 8:37 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118550 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:35 am to
The evolution of basketball rules have favored the offense over time. Hand checking should be re-allowed and get rid of defensive three-second violation then you'd see a little more defense.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27295 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:39 am to
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The evolution of basketball rules have favored the offense over time. Hand checking should be re-allowed and get rid of defensive three-second violation then you'd see a little more defense.
That’s not completely true. Hand-checking was eliminated, but defenses don’t have to abide by the strict illegal defense rules anymore.

It was a trade-off. Maybe slightly less individual 1-on-1 defense due to removal of hand-checking, but stronger team defense due to illegal defense rule change.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83335 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:49 am to
So Kyrie's uninspiring scoring and assist number are even more uninspiring than I thought
Posted by TOPAL
Member since Mar 2010
4521 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:55 am to
The stats are so inflated with the style of offense being played. Layup, dunk, layup, open three....repeat. Seeing a 6'10" guy dunk a ball isn't talent. They do have a handful of players that are great shooters most are just tall.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83335 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:59 am to
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The stats are so inflated with the style of offense being played. Layup, dunk, layup, open three....repeat. Seeing a 6'10" guy dunk a ball isn't talent. They do have a handful of players that are great shooters most are just tall.
What is this nonsense?

Big guys are better at shooting than they've EVER been.
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4660 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:02 am to
Found the guy that doesn't watch but loves to comment on how shitty it is.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:04 am to
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To illustrate, last season the team with the fastest pace had a pace of 101.6. This season, that would only be good enough for 14th in the league.


That is fricking nuts
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110477 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:09 am to
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All the old men here should love it because no defense was played in the 80s or 60s either

Ironically enough, one of the main reasons the old guard hates the NBA is because they say no defense is played.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84582 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:09 am to
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Ironic that Kyrie says that, because he's not exactly a good defender himself.


No shite. Kyrie has been playing defense like he was from the 1980s his whole life.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:12 am to
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What is this nonsense?

Big guys are better at shooting than they've EVER been.



I like it when posters like him talk out of their arse
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110477 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:13 am to
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But the MSB told me different
The MSB is correct, Kyrie is wrong.

The 15th ranked scoring offense in the NBA this season averages 108.6 points per 100 possessions. Last season - 108.4 points per 100 possessions.


The biggest difference is pace.
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 9:14 am
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