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Jury note sent to judge during Kellen Winslow Jr trial

Posted on 6/9/19 at 6:27 am
Posted by HeLeakin
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Posted on 6/9/19 at 6:27 am
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Jury on the Kellen Winslow II rape trial, now in its third full day of deliberations, sent the below note to the judge. Things might be getting contentious


Posted by tom
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
8152 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 6:45 am to
I'd imagine that applies to most juries these days.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
25946 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 6:51 am to
I can’t think of many things more frightening than my life and freedom being in the hands of twelve members of the general public. Juries are full of people too stupid to get out of jury duty.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
61532 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 7:01 am to
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I can’t think of many things more frightening than my life and freedom being in the hands of twelve members of the general public. Juries are full of people too stupid to get out of jury duty.




Was on a jury once where a 18 year old kid stole a car. It was a very easy case and there was every stitch of evidence that he stole the car. Hell he pretty much admitted it.

There was one lady on the jury that had a teenage son who had been in trouble in his life and she felt like "the young man deserved another chance"

It took 6 hours to convince here that it was not our job to decide his faith but only to decide if he was guilt of stealing the car.


Posted by vodkacop
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
7849 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 7:30 am to
Explain what it means to be under oath? Are they fricking simple minded?
Posted by El Campo Tiger
El Campo, TX
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 6/9/19 at 7:37 am to
*additionally
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
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Posted on 6/9/19 at 7:41 am to











Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
70774 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 7:44 am to
It's California. Verdict will be not guilty by reason of celebrity.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82010 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 7:49 am to
Here's the jury

Posted by Mud_Till_May
Member since Aug 2014
9685 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:04 am to
If Im on the jury, I dont give a frick what the evidence says. If I want to call him innocent/ guilty I will. Its my decision.
Posted by Mud_Till_May
Member since Aug 2014
9685 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:13 am to
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In the United States federal court system, the conviction rate rose from approximately 75 percent to approximately 85% between 1972 and 1992.[13] For 2012, the US Department of Justice reported a 93% conviction rate.[14] In 2000, the conviction rate was also high in U.S. state courts. Coughlan writes, "In recent years, the conviction rate has averaged approximately 84% in Texas, 82% in California, 72% in New York, 67% in North Carolina, and 59% in Florida."[15] In 2018, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reported that among defendants charged with a felony, 68% were convicted (59% of a felony and the remainder of a misdemeanor) with felony conviction rates highest for defendants originally charged with motor vehicle theft (74%), driving-related offenses (73%), murder (70%), burglary (69%), and drug trafficking (67%); and lowest for defendants originally charged with assault (45%).[16]
Posted by Hetfield
Dallas
Member since Jun 2013
6965 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:15 am to
Welcome to your new America.
Posted by MasterofTigerBait
Member since May 2009
7592 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:25 am to
The second question, while poorly written, is quite probing for a lay person.


Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82010 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:27 am to
I'm guessing that the person who asked those questions is asking because he realized some of the other jurors did not understand those concepts.
Posted by snatch
West Monroe
Member since Mar 2008
140 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:28 am to
Maybe this just from tv, but can’t a judge overrule a jury in extreme cases?
Posted by MasterofTigerBait
Member since May 2009
7592 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:32 am to
My interpretation: (1) The jurors were told to apply the law as written and explained in the instructions. (2) The jurors do not think the law and instructions are clear and are confused on how to proceed.

Maybe I'm giving them too much credit
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82010 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:34 am to
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Maybe this just from tv, but can’t a judge overrule a jury in extreme cases?
Pretty sure it's only one way (guilty to acquitted), don't think judge can go from acquitted to guilty.
Posted by SwaggerCopter
H TINE HOL IT DINE
Member since Dec 2012
27226 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:36 am to
Prayers for Juror 6. He is slamming his head against the wall right now, with a bunch of idiots.
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38001 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:58 am to
quote:

Was on a jury once where a 18 year old kid stole a car. It was a very easy case and there was every stitch of evidence that he stole the car. Hell he pretty much admitted it. There was one lady on the jury that had a teenage son who had been in trouble in his life and she felt like "the young man deserved another chance" It took 6 hours to convince here that it was not our job to decide his faith but only to decide if he was guilt of stealing the car.


Conversely, I was on a criminal jury for a sexual assault case where the accused was an immigrant and the evidence presented by the prosecution came down to “she says he did it and just look at him!” and over half the jury immediately voted to convict.

It took those of us that saw that the prosecution had nothing but a she-said case with zip, zilch, nada for evidence a whole day to get the “convicters” to try to explain the evidential basis of their votes which in each and every case came down to “why would she lie? plus, i’m ready to go home”.

The power of their “i want to go home” emotions eventually overtook their “why would she lie” emotions, they changed their votes, the accused was acquitted, and they then got their wish to go home.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259809 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 9:06 am to
Juries scare the frick out of me. I can't imagine how terrified it must be to have your future in the hands of simpletons.
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