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Jury note sent to judge during Kellen Winslow Jr trial
Posted on 6/9/19 at 6:27 am
Posted on 6/9/19 at 6:27 am
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Jury on the Kellen Winslow II rape trial, now in its third full day of deliberations, sent the below note to the judge. Things might be getting contentious
Posted on 6/9/19 at 6:45 am to HeLeakin
I'd imagine that applies to most juries these days.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 6:51 am to HeLeakin
I can’t think of many things more frightening than my life and freedom being in the hands of twelve members of the general public. Juries are full of people too stupid to get out of jury duty.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 7:01 am to Indefatigable
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I can’t think of many things more frightening than my life and freedom being in the hands of twelve members of the general public. Juries are full of people too stupid to get out of jury duty.
Was on a jury once where a 18 year old kid stole a car. It was a very easy case and there was every stitch of evidence that he stole the car. Hell he pretty much admitted it.
There was one lady on the jury that had a teenage son who had been in trouble in his life and she felt like "the young man deserved another chance"
It took 6 hours to convince here that it was not our job to decide his faith but only to decide if he was guilt of stealing the car.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 7:30 am to HeLeakin
Explain what it means to be under oath? Are they fricking simple minded?
Posted on 6/9/19 at 7:44 am to HeLeakin
It's California. Verdict will be not guilty by reason of celebrity.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:04 am to castorinho
If Im on the jury, I dont give a frick what the evidence says. If I want to call him innocent/ guilty I will. Its my decision.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:13 am to HeLeakin
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In the United States federal court system, the conviction rate rose from approximately 75 percent to approximately 85% between 1972 and 1992.[13] For 2012, the US Department of Justice reported a 93% conviction rate.[14] In 2000, the conviction rate was also high in U.S. state courts. Coughlan writes, "In recent years, the conviction rate has averaged approximately 84% in Texas, 82% in California, 72% in New York, 67% in North Carolina, and 59% in Florida."[15] In 2018, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reported that among defendants charged with a felony, 68% were convicted (59% of a felony and the remainder of a misdemeanor) with felony conviction rates highest for defendants originally charged with motor vehicle theft (74%), driving-related offenses (73%), murder (70%), burglary (69%), and drug trafficking (67%); and lowest for defendants originally charged with assault (45%).[16]
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:15 am to HeLeakin
Welcome to your new America.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:25 am to HeLeakin
The second question, while poorly written, is quite probing for a lay person.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:27 am to MasterofTigerBait
I'm guessing that the person who asked those questions is asking because he realized some of the other jurors did not understand those concepts.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:28 am to Hetfield
Maybe this just from tv, but can’t a judge overrule a jury in extreme cases?
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:32 am to castorinho
My interpretation: (1) The jurors were told to apply the law as written and explained in the instructions. (2) The jurors do not think the law and instructions are clear and are confused on how to proceed.
Maybe I'm giving them too much credit
Maybe I'm giving them too much credit
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:34 am to snatch
quote:Pretty sure it's only one way (guilty to acquitted), don't think judge can go from acquitted to guilty.
Maybe this just from tv, but can’t a judge overrule a jury in extreme cases?
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:36 am to HeLeakin
Prayers for Juror 6. He is slamming his head against the wall right now, with a bunch of idiots.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:58 am to LanierSpots
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Was on a jury once where a 18 year old kid stole a car. It was a very easy case and there was every stitch of evidence that he stole the car. Hell he pretty much admitted it. There was one lady on the jury that had a teenage son who had been in trouble in his life and she felt like "the young man deserved another chance" It took 6 hours to convince here that it was not our job to decide his faith but only to decide if he was guilt of stealing the car.
Conversely, I was on a criminal jury for a sexual assault case where the accused was an immigrant and the evidence presented by the prosecution came down to “she says he did it and just look at him!” and over half the jury immediately voted to convict.
It took those of us that saw that the prosecution had nothing but a she-said case with zip, zilch, nada for evidence a whole day to get the “convicters” to try to explain the evidential basis of their votes which in each and every case came down to “why would she lie? plus, i’m ready to go home”.
The power of their “i want to go home” emotions eventually overtook their “why would she lie” emotions, they changed their votes, the accused was acquitted, and they then got their wish to go home.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 9:06 am to HeLeakin
Juries scare the frick out of me. I can't imagine how terrified it must be to have your future in the hands of simpletons.
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