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Illegal payments in sports

Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:56 pm
Posted by kftiger1
Lake Charles
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:56 pm
OK, with all the Will Wade scandal more and more people are talking about how "all the big programs" pay players in both football and basketball. I don't it's as widespread as some people say, but I know it goes on.

So this is my question, why don't pro teams do the same thing in order to cheap salary cap/luxury tax issues? For example, why doesn't Drew Brees just agree to a team friendly $10 million dollars a year for the next two years and then get paid the rest of his market value under the table? I'm sure there is something there to protect against it, but there is always way to funnel money to people.

What am I missing?
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:57 pm to
Really?
Posted by Keys Open Doors
In hiding with Tupac & XXXTentacion
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:59 pm to
Everyone involved would be arrested for tax fraud if it was truly under the table.

If the payments were actually accurate but just not reported to the league, then the other owners would band together and demand the owner of the rogue franchise be forced to sell the team.
Posted by Harry Caray
Denial
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:00 pm to
Not convinced the Warriors aren't already doing this
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:03 pm to
The Warriors were unbelievably lucky to have signed Steph Curry to a 4 year extension at a time when he was at his lowest value. This led them to being able to sign Durant. Klay and Draymond were incredible value picks but their contracts are as straightforward as you can get.

It’s an incredible 3 year stretch but this will be the last year of it.
Posted by Rusty Scroggins
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

So this is my question, why don't pro teams do the same thing in order to cheap salary cap/luxury tax issues? For example, why doesn't Drew Brees just agree to a team friendly $10 million dollars a year for the next two years and then get paid the rest of his market value under the table?


For a multitude of different reasons, but the Players Association is one of them
Posted by kftiger1
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
155 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:05 pm to
I mean yeah, it's illegal, but so is a lot of the shite going down with NCAA sports. Obviously the team wouldn't write a check for it, but it would come indirectly through donors or whatever. I'm not saying the Saints or anyone else should do it, but I've just always been surprised no one does it. I do think there have been a couple of scattered incidents according to the google
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83335 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:08 pm to
quote:

I don't think it's as widespread as some people say, but I know it goes on.
I agree.

Like everyone wants to shite on Saban for paying players but I don't think he does.

It's easy to spot the obvious programs that pay players. Which is why I have been calling out LSU and Will Wade for a year now.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33793 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

So this is my question, why don't pro teams do the same thing in order to cheap salary cap/luxury tax issues? For example, why doesn't Drew Brees just agree to a team friendly $10 million dollars a year for the next two years and then get paid the rest of his market value under the table? I'm sure there is something there to protect against it, but there is always way to funnel money to people.

What am I missing?



That's called salary cap circumvention. It's explicitly forbidden.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110481 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

That's called salary cap circumvention. It's explicitly forbidden.

That doesn't really answer his question though.

Paying players in college is also explicitly forbidden.

Posted by jrowla2
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
4071 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:13 pm to
It’s common in college basketball and it goes through these aau coaches and shoe rep guys. It’s common knowledge.

College football has avoided this mostly because aau and show brands aren’t as involved with football. Still happens but it’s not the standard.
Posted by Cap Crunch
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

Like everyone wants to shite on Saban for paying players but I don't think he does.

It's easy to spot the obvious programs that pay players. Which is why I have been calling out LSU and Will Wade for a year now.

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Posted by TallMan
Member since Jul 2014
360 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:18 pm to
The T-Wolves tried to do this in a way back in the late 90's and got caught and hammered for it. They signed Joe Smith to a series of below-market deals with the under the table understanding that they'd make it up when they got his Bird Rights. NBA took away their first round pick in 5 straight drafts.
Posted by TheWalrus
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:22 pm to
Ok bud
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13543 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 3:22 pm to
quote:

I don't it's as widespread as some people say, but I know it goes on.


Then you're really naive.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:52 pm to
quote:

Like everyone wants to shite on Saban for paying players but I don't think he does.




quote:

It's easy to spot the obvious programs that pay players. Which is why I have been calling out LSU and Will Wade for a year now.


Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83335 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:56 pm to
What players has Saban brokered deals for?
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9754 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 5:54 pm to
All the good ones..
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 6:55 pm to
This is a troll right?
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
44874 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 6:58 pm to
quote:

What players has Saban brokered deals for?

Why did you call out Wade for months before his quotes hit them?
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