re: Ignoring the recruiting aspect, is Leach a top 3 coach?

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Chad Morris has his own offense but it's a spinoff from Leach's offense, which isn't that dissimilar to what lots of Leach guys were running. it's all based off the concepts of the Leach offense, just with more motion

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I agree with the overall Leach take, but what in the fvck is this nonsense? Morris’ offense is closer to the wing-t than it is the Air Raid. They’re literally not even remotely similar.

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The modern elements added by Morris include spread alignments, the forward pass, motion, and tempo.

spread and tempo are leach progeny

i said he uses motion, which was his spin (and not really leach progeny)

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You’re assigning any team that runs the spread as being a Leach discipline? That’s madness.

Everything about Morris’ offense is different from Leach’s. The OL splits are different (he does not use the ultra wide splits Leach uses). The personnel are different (the H-back is critical in his scheme which Leach doesn’t have). The run concepts are different (he largely relies on power and lead concepts which Leach doesn’t use). Even the passing concepts are different as he’s a super play action heavy team whereas Leach doesn’t have that.

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Morris could try to have a million concepts to answer a million problems. But he would rather contain multiple answers within the same concepts. He can still use diversity -- of formations, personnel groupings, or options within a play -- but focuses on fully mastering a few versatile plans of attack.

This is literally the Leach philosophy and why his passing concepts have revolutionized passing, from high school to the NFL

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Man I love me some Leach, but every team at all levels of football is starting to do this. That doesn’t mean they all stole from Leach or are Leach disciples. The Patriots did thus when they started going no huddle heavy years ago. Is McDaniels a Leach disciple? The Rams do this. Is McVay a Leach disciple?

I guess you could say that most offenses have started to adopt similar methodologies, but lumping Morris and Malzahn in with Leach is just not right as the mechanics of the offenses could not be more dissimilar.

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You’re assigning any team that runs the spread as being a Leach discipline? That’s madness.

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It's his offense. Well Mumme, too, but Leach has shown to be the real brains with the real historical imprint.

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Man I love me some Leach, but every team at all levels of football is starting to do this.

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Because of Leach, lol

He revolutionized passing at every level of football

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Because of Leach, lol

He revolutionized passing at every level of football

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Lol, that is a vast oversimplification, but o well.

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And I don’t believe he is saying that Leach invented the spread, just that teams that use the spread option adopt the passing elements of the air raid into their offense.

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But there’s literally NOTHING about Leach’s offense that Morris adopted. The protections are different, the route tree is different, the personnel are different. Morris himself has said that his passing attack is predicated and based upon play action. He’s more similar to Shanahan / McVay than anything Leach does.

I LOVE me some Leach, but to say that he gets credit for every team’s passing game if they pass from spread looks is just too generous.

I think his recruiting skills have been greatly limited at the stops he's been a HC at. Lubbock and Pullman are horrible places to recruit to. MSU is a little better in that regard, so I am not sure how well you can judge him as a recruiter.

That said, talent-wise as a coach, he's easily top 5. He's put up prolific offenses at both his previous stops in P5 conferences and that was with built-in talent disadvantages.

His QB throws for over 600 yards...and he's asked what did you think of your quarterback...
And Leach says, "well I think it was a good start but he's got to improve on some things."

Welcome to Pac12 football in the SEC.

Ed O: "We couldn't cover their receivers." DB U? fricking SEC lets the Pirate in Conference...should've kept him out. First day, he blows up the SEC. Most passing yards in the history of the SEC. Ah, but Big12/Pac12 football would never work in the SEC.

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