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re: How is Duke still #5?
The illusion of Zion returning.


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VerlanderBEAST
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re: How is Duke still #5?
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He's done by the way. No way he risks his financial future and puts on a Nike shoe while playing for Duke. He would have zero leverage
This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard there is basically ZERO risk for him. Anything short of him having one of his legs amputated and he is still getting picked number 1


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re: How is Duke still #5?
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There is only one team in the Power 5 conferences that has fewer losses than Duke that is ranked behind Duke.

That team is Tennessee, a team that the same record over the last 7 games as Duke (4-3). Tennessee has also had all of their star players available. Michigan has also gone 4-3.

The easy answer to your question is that every team besides Gonzaga, UVA, and UNC has been dropping games. What do you want pollsters to do? Put teams with worse records, fewer impressive wins, and easier schedules ahead of Duke for some reason? This isn’t even really considering the Zion issue.



Finally, somebody else gets it. You don’t punish or reward teams for losing or winning each week. You rank them. Each week provides more data to do so. If you can’t rank 5 teams you think are better than Duke, you rank them top 5.

And I have no opinion on where Duke should be ranked. Not much matters less to me than college basketball’s regular season and its rankings. Besides LSU, of course.


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tzimme4
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re: How is Duke still #5?
You obviously aren't the smartest here. Zion's shoe deal and millions of dollars are invested in whether or not he plays again.

He owes absolutely nothing to do Duke and didn't go to Duke to win a national championship. Elite players go to Duke to make the most money possible.

If he plays again, Nike holds all the leverage when it comes to his next shoe deal. Which is why you saw him decked out in full Adidas last week. He can squeeze every last penny out of Nike by using the shoe incident in his defense. Playing in ACC Tournament clears Nike of all of that.

As long as there is an outside chance of him playing Duke will get the respect of the committee
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re: How is Duke still #5?
Zion isn’t cleared to play yet by the NCAA. Anyone who thinks he’s missed 5 games for that little wipe out is kidding themselves


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Ed Osteen
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re: How is Duke still #5?
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He'll have to wear a Nike shoe which then will tell Nike he's comfortable enough with letting go the incident of his shoe blowout. He loses all the leverage of signing a shoe deal when he goes pro.


Because his college only uses Nike? You’re thinking too much into it. Zion can name his price and whichever brand is willing it pay it will win
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tzimme4
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re: How is Duke still #5?
Duke is a Nike school. He HAS to wear Nike.

Nike will give him an offer. He'll tell them to go frick themselves because of what happen to his knee. The offer will only increase.

If he plays again, Nike isn't going to cave because they have leverage now. All is good if that happens. Nike owes it to him after the UNC game.
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Ed Osteen
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If he plays again, Nike isn't going to cave because they have leverage now


Nike isn’t the only shoe company that will be offering. I’m not sure why you are so hung up on him having leverage dependent on whether he wears a Nike shoe again or not.


tzimme4
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re: How is Duke still #5?
Nike is the #1 shoe brand and will likely pay him the most.

Millions of dollars are invested in this deal. You're stupid to think that this isn't important. Why would he be decked out in all Adidas last week? He knows the game he's playing.
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Ed Osteen
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He knows the game he's playing.


That’s my point, dressing out in one more college game isn’t going to cost him millions on a Nike contract. I guess we are both arguing the same thing in roundabout ways


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Mr. Hangover
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re: How is Duke still #5?
I don’t post here much but I get the impression you’re like the OWEO of the MSB


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ecb
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re: How is Duke still #5?
Lolol


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ecb
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re: How is Duke still #5?
It’s as real as pro wrestling....all about the Benjamin’s


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Obtuse1
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re: How is Duke still #5?
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you're stupid to think that this isn't important.


How about a 1 month ban bet?

I bet Zion plays another college game, you say he will not come back. Sack up or shut up.


tide06
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re: How is Duke still #5?
If you gave the other coaches the chance to rank which teams they would prefer not to play, Duke with Zion is far and away #1.

Even with the two UNC losses their resume is still very solid and everyone is basically ignoring them anyway because Zion didn’t play.

Tennessee lost to Auburn. Texas Tech plays in an awful conference. Michigan State just lost to IU.

Hate Duke if you want but the argument for their ranking being fair is strong.
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WaltTeevens
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re: How is Duke still #5?
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tzimme4


You always have the worst takes. It's like you are willfully an idiot.


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rockiee
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re: How is Duke still #5?
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Sack up or shut up.


Guess he picked the 2nd option.


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elposter
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re: How is Duke still #5?
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If he plays again, Nike holds all the leverage when it comes to his next shoe deal. Which is why you saw him decked out in full Adidas last week. He can squeeze every last penny out of Nike by using the shoe incident in his defense. Playing in ACC Tournament clears Nike of all of that.


I think you are playing this up too much. Zion will have plenty of leverage with Nike or any other shoe company regardless of whether he plays another game for Duke.

I've heard this same "Zion should not play again so he can leverage Nike" a lot from the talking heads on radio and TV this week, but I think people are making way too big a deal of that. He will play if he feels confident in no re-injury risk. He won't if he doesn't.


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xiv
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re: How is Duke still #5?
They’re #5 because the AP didnt rank them as highly as they should. LINK
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sgallo3
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re: How is Duke still #5?
I can understand over the course of the season them being number 5, but generally rankings go off how you are playing Lately rather than full body of work


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