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re: How big of a problem do you think Burrow's underthrows will be in the NFL?
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:47 am to PhillyFan1994
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:47 am to PhillyFan1994
quote:Yeh, you are retarded.
That was not a back shoulder throw. Do you know what a back shoulder throw is? A back shoulder throw would have been towards the sideline away from Diggs. That was a 50-50 ball that Chase won. If Diggs located the ball right he could've picked it off.
The throw against bama is 100% intentional throw to the WRs BACK SHOULDER
Hence, why it is called a back shoulder throw
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Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:47 am to PhillyFan1994
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That was not a back shoulder throw. Do you know what a back shoulder throw is?
Yes and that was one.
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That was a 50-50 ball that Chase won
No it wasn't.
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If Diggs located the ball right he could've picked it off.
You shouldn't ask people if they know what a back shoulder throw is when you so clearly don't. The whole point is that the defender can't locate the ball for fricks sake.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:48 am to PhillyFan1994
log off dude.. delete this thread.. you were proven wrong .. admit and move on
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:48 am to PhillyFan1994
Burrow has some arm strength questions, and can be a little inaccurate. His stats were a little inflates because of his WRs being outstanding, both making plays on the ball or turning slants into 50 yard scores.
All that said, he may be the most NFL ready QB I have ever seen. He has the pocket presence of a 15 year NFL vet. The second he plays a down I think he will be a top half QB in the league.
(Disclaimer: I’m usually anti-LSU and thought Burrow wouldn’t even be drafted before the season. What he has done this season is simply insane.)
All that said, he may be the most NFL ready QB I have ever seen. He has the pocket presence of a 15 year NFL vet. The second he plays a down I think he will be a top half QB in the league.
(Disclaimer: I’m usually anti-LSU and thought Burrow wouldn’t even be drafted before the season. What he has done this season is simply insane.)
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:49 am to PhillyFan1994
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:49 am to TH03
quote:Every single back shoulder throw would be picked off if the "defender turned and found the ball"
You shouldn't ask people if they know what a back shoulder throw is when you so clearly don't. The whole point is that the defender can't locate the ball for fricks sake.
Thats the entire premise of a back shoulder throw. You throw it when a defender is slightly beat and cant turn their head for the ball Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:50 am to lsupride87
You guys can continue to act like I am the only one who thinks Burrow underthrows balls a little more frequently than he should. I understand he led LSU to their first ring in a while so you all now think it is sacrilege to criticize any aspect of his game in anyway. However, just know this is not a novel issue I just thought of myself.
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Weaknesses: As Burrow is arguably the top overall prospect in the 2020 NFL Draft, there isn’t much in his game that is of concern. He doesn’t have the elite arm strength that other notable draft prospects, Jordan Love and Justin Herbert, have. Sometimes, balls can float downfield a little too much and allows safeties to get there in enough time to break-up the pass.
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CONS: He turns 24 as a rookie, but given his polish and consistency against elite competition, it’s of little concern. Doesn’t have elite arm strength and throwing power but it without question is passable. While he remains accurate, Burrow isn’t immune to flat-footed throws, that generally show up when he speeds up his process.
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When looking at Burrow’s NFL Draft profile, not everything is perfect. While arm strength isn’t a pressing issue, arm elasticity is. Burrow doesn’t quite have the elasticity required to give deep passes the requisite mix of velocity and cushion consistently. More often than not, his deep passes will either be lobs that allow defenders to close in, or line drives that overshoot their targets. When he times it right, Burrow can hit his man in stride, but he needs more consistency in this area.
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This post was edited on 1/16/20 at 8:52 am
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:52 am to PhillyFan1994
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That was not a back shoulder throw. Do you know what a back shoulder throw is? A back shoulder throw would have been towards the sideline away from Diggs. That was a 50-50 ball that Chase won. If Diggs located the ball right he could've picked it off.
QBs in the NFL and college routinely throw behind the coverage in one on one situations. Common football sense tells you the WR has the clear advantage at that point if the DB is on his hip. It’s also how many DPI’s on deep balls get called.
10 deep balls that result in 5 receptions on 7 underthrows is better than 10 deep balls that result in 1 reception on 8 overthrows. Overthrows, by definition, are uncatchable.
This is a fairly simple sentiment that’s shared by, well, pretty much everyone with common football sense at this point.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:54 am to PhillyFan1994
do not listen to pro football network ever dude. god dam
This post was edited on 1/16/20 at 8:54 am
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:55 am to Mr Perfect
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do not listen to pro football network ever dude. god dam
I posted three different sites that all essentially said the same thing. I promise you I can find more too.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:55 am to PhillyFan1994
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Final Film Grade: 8.1 (Top-10 Film Grade) Best Film: Oklahoma ’19
Worst Film: Florida ’18
Best Trait: Accuracy
Worst Trait: Arm Strength
Summary: Joe Burrow is unquestionably one of the top prospects in the 2020 NFL Draft and is deserving of the number one overall selection in April. He transcended the LSU offense from an average SEC offense that can score enough to win with a good defense to one of the most prolific passing offenses we have ever seen in college football.
Anyone who can look at the Florida game where he only had 3 incompletions and say that’s the worst game of the 5 he watched I don’t know if I can take seriously.
But to answer the original question
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How big of a problem do you think Burrow's underthrows will be in the NFL?
Minimal to non-existent. Think of how many elite QB’s do not have elite arm talent? Brees, rivers, Brady, Montana, Ryan, etc. decision making, timing, accuracy, and pocket presence are far more important than arm strength. If it wasn’t Jamarcus Russell would be the greatest QB in all of history
This post was edited on 1/16/20 at 8:59 am
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:56 am to lionward2014
quote:I cant handle people being this stupid. Its unfair you vote
and can be a little inaccurate
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:56 am to PhillyFan1994
If you're looking for a serious answer, it's damn tough to hit guys in stride 50 yards down the field. For another serious answer, look at Brady when he had Moss. Marshall and Chase are both "throw it up and they'll go get it" types.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 9:00 am to VermilionTiger
No it isn’t lmao. The WRs are all amazing, but there have been plenty of times Burrow has dropped dimes and they would just flat out drop the ball. Happened a few times on Monday as well, namely Chase’s drop in the top left of the end zone in second half.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 9:00 am to PhillyFan1994
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Sometimes, balls can float downfield a little too much and allows safeties to get there in enough time to break-up the pass.
From that same link:
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Deep Accuracy: 8.5/10
Is 8.5 out of 10 bad? Why did you leave this part out?
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Doesn’t have elite arm strength and throwing power but it without question is passable. While he remains accurate, Burrow isn’t immune to flat-footed throws, that generally show up when he speeds up his process.
From that same link:
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RED FLAGS - None
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Coming off the greatest season in SEC quarterback history, Joe Burrow features a high-level skill set with the makeup of being a dynamic franchise quarterback. His blend of accuracy, ability to handle pressure, mechanics and mental processing skills are all bluechip traits that make him NFL ready in Year One. Burrow may lack elite throwing power, but it’s a minor knock in an overall impressive package.
Again, why did you leave this part out?
Looks like your question has been answered. No, his “habitual underthrows” aren’t actually a thing and won’t be a problem.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 9:02 am to lsupride87
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The throw against bama is 100% intentional throw to the WRs BACK SHOULDER
Once again a back shoulder throw would have been towards the sideline and therefore to Chase's BACK SHOULDER. This would have placed Chase between the ball and Diggs making it impossible for Diggs to even get to the ball without interfering. Diggs was on Chase's hip and that ball was placed such that both had a chance at it if Diggs turned his head. However, Diggs never did and Chase adjusted to the ball and made the play.
Top Billin even alluded to this play in one of his videos at the 4:45 mark.
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"Chase will ADJUST BACK TO THE BALL. Help out his QB."
This post was edited on 1/16/20 at 9:06 am
Posted on 1/16/20 at 9:03 am to lionward2014
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All that said, he may be the most NFL ready QB I have ever seen
You must be too young to remember Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 9:04 am to RB10
quote:If he would have actually read those and included them in his post, it would have hurt his argument.
Again, why did you leave this part out?
That is why.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 9:04 am to PhillyFan1994
This is a weak troll, but get ready for the overanalysis.
Happens every time. They have to have some drama so they'll find something to nitpick him on.
There's literally not much though.
But you'll have some draft expert try to explain whey Herbert is better because of some obscure metric.
Happens every time. They have to have some drama so they'll find something to nitpick him on.
There's literally not much though.
But you'll have some draft expert try to explain whey Herbert is better because of some obscure metric.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 9:07 am to ulsaint
Burrow is the best QB in the draft. I'm not an LSU fan by any stretch, but I don't think this is debatable. A healthy Tua would be second, but he's not healthy, and hasn't proven to be durable, which is a knock on NFL QB's, even with all the two hand touch rules they have in place.
Herbert, Eason, Fromm, etc are all in the next tier, but all of them would have to fall into the right situation to be top tier QB's.
Herbert, Eason, Fromm, etc are all in the next tier, but all of them would have to fall into the right situation to be top tier QB's.
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