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re: heat and thunder matchups
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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having battier and lebron be able to switch on durant all game AND having bosh there to abuse perkins is a definite worry in this matchup
The role plays will be crucial for the Thunder as they were. 5 of the 6 games someone not apart of the big 3 stepped up big time.
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brooks' reluctance to bench perkins will be a big deal in this series, imho
This seriously drives me insane. Perk is not some kind of liability out there. Dude may be the best screen setter in the league. Also, Brooks made tremendous adjustments in games 3-6 after making some poor choices in 1-2.
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Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:38 pm to TulaneTigerFan
hell, the spurs didn't even rely on post play until their back was against the wall
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:39 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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The Clippers have depth and good post play?
They are a bit of a reach on that list bust they are much much better in the post than Miami with Griffin and Jordan. And yes they do have pretty decent depth. Again more depth than the Heat.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yeah, they don't even run sets for Duncan in the post anymore. They were not a team with a strong post game this season
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:40 pm to okietiger
Griffin and Deandre Jordan have absolutely zero post game. I mean none whatsoever. Griffin is comically bad trying to score in isolation in the post
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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hell, the spurs didn't even rely on post play until their back was against the wall
Duncan ran plays out of the post every game of the series.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:41 pm to okietiger
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Perk is not some kind of liability out there.
if bosh draws him away from the goal, he will be a major liability. perkins has value, but not against the heat
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Also, Brooks made tremendous adjustments in games 3-6 after making some poor choices in 1-2.
if the thunder do go small, the heat will, and it will be a goddamn track meet and all bets are off
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:41 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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Yeah, they don't even run sets for Duncan in the post anymore. They were not a team with a strong post game this season
Uh, yes they did
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:41 pm to okietiger
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Duncan ran plays out of the post every game of the series.
duncan was mostly 18 feet away from the goal setting up the pick and roll with parker and ginobili
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:42 pm to okietiger
No, they didn't. They might have run a few each game but that is not their offensive identity the way it used to be. I saw it and then heard it discussed on every NBA podcast that I listen to by guys like Legler who actually played in the NBA for years.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if bosh draws him away from the goal, he will be a major liability. perkins has value, but not against the heat
Be interesting to see how it plays out. Even with possible mismatch, OKC w/ Ibaka and Perkins should have rebounding advantage over Haslem and Bosh which could be huge.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:44 pm to TulaneTigerFan
yeah pop's brilliance this year was abandoning the old style and going to the pick and roll game to take advantage of the neo-NBA. duncan was running the pick and roll up top right at/behind the elbow
i can't tell you how many times against the thunder he got the ball wide open and was resistant to shoot. bosh won't be
i can't tell you how many times against the thunder he got the ball wide open and was resistant to shoot. bosh won't be
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:46 pm to okietiger
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Even with possible mismatch, OKC w/ Ibaka and Perkins should have rebounding advantage over Haslem and Bosh which could be huge.
well this is where the lebron factor comes in
the small lineup i posted earlier looks like it would be abused, BUT, lebron can handle those rebounding duties with bosh
also, drawing out perkins will take away his rebounding opportunities. durant will have to be durant of the end of the WCF and not the pussy who avoided rebounding earlier in the spurs series
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:50 pm to TulaneTigerFan
You're saying 2 different things Tulane:
Not running post plays as often =/= never running them at all
Duncan most certainly did run plays in the post. In fact he had several key shots made over Ibaka out of the post using that sick spin move he still possesses.
Do they still run majority of plays out of the post? No.
Does Duncan favor towards the 18 foot jumper and pick and rolls? Yes.
But he's still got a stronger post game with his height, weight, and strength around the rim than anyone on the Heat.
Not running post plays as often =/= never running them at all
Duncan most certainly did run plays in the post. In fact he had several key shots made over Ibaka out of the post using that sick spin move he still possesses.
Do they still run majority of plays out of the post? No.
Does Duncan favor towards the 18 foot jumper and pick and rolls? Yes.
But he's still got a stronger post game with his height, weight, and strength around the rim than anyone on the Heat.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
This may sound weird SFP but I truly believe that having the home court is crucial for Thunder in series. I'd be concerned if Heat had home court. In both Mavs and Lakers series, it was easy to see how much energy and emotion the Thunder players drew off the home crowd. Same thing happened once they returned home against Spurs. I don't see games 1-2 being any different.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:53 pm to okietiger
also, don't think i'm saying the heat have all the matchup advantages. they have weaknesses.
i just don't see this huge advantage for the thunder. both teams can do stuff to hurt the other
i just don't see this huge advantage for the thunder. both teams can do stuff to hurt the other
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i just don't see this huge advantage for the thunder. both teams can do stuff to hurt the other
Oh I don't think Thunder have all these major advantages or are going to run away with it. But I do think they have a few more advantages.
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:55 pm to okietiger
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This may sound weird SFP but I truly believe that having the home court is crucial for Thunder in series.
i don't think that's weird at all, honestly
Posted on 6/10/12 at 12:57 pm to okietiger
The bottom line is that they are not a "post team". They actually rebound worse than Miami and allow more points in the paint, as do the Clippers
Posted on 6/10/12 at 1:01 pm to TulaneTigerFan
Spurs give up so many points because they lead the league ion number of possessions per game. They are totally content with scoring quickly and having 115-105 victories.
And while they are not a post team as you mentioned I'll take Duncan at his age in the post over anything Miami has.
And while they are not a post team as you mentioned I'll take Duncan at his age in the post over anything Miami has.
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