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RoyalAir
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
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Adding UT to the SEC immediately reboots one of the most-played rivalry games in college football.


You don't have to be in the same conference to maintain longstanding, bitter rivalries. Carolina/Clemson, UGA/GT have proven this.

aTm left B12 to get away from Texas and their toxic relationship. Carolina fans understand this, better than anyone. But you can still play them. Makes the victories that much better.


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VADawg
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
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When was the last time a team from the SEC or Ohio State or Clemson ( Deep South, South Carolina) has really competed since 2006?


Oregon was extremely competitive from 2010-2014, and Oklahoma is always good. Other than that, it has been awhile.


KiwiHead
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
10-11 years since Oregon plays for a title but since then no team west of the Great Plains has made a serious run and I would venture to say that Oklahoma gets in consistently due to an overall weak league where they are the big dog.


jlovel7
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
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Oklahoma is always good


They're good in the Big 12. But get absolutely smoked whenever they play out of conference games that matter and basically have since Tim Tebow laid the whooping on them in 2008.


KosmoCramer
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
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They're good in the Big 12. But get absolutely smoked whenever they play out of conference games that matter and basically have since Tim Tebow laid the whooping on them in 2008.


You forgetting 2017?


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VABuckeye
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
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10-11 years since Oregon plays for a title


Umm, January of 2015?


lsufball19
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
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I guess technically Miami and Va Tech started this before it was cool but those were mostly new blood programs even with concentrated success like Miami.

That wasn't the first time bigger programs moved conferences. Arkansas and South Carolina did that in 1992 when they joined the SEC. The SouthWest conference completely disbanded in 1996. Georgia Tech left the SEC in 1964 and Tulane two years later. Both were strong programs at the time. Only 8 teams in the ACC are founding members, GA Tech joining in 1970 and FSU in 1991. Only 6 of the Big10 members are founding members. Indiana and Iowa joined a couple years later. Ohio State didn't join until 1912, Michigan St in 1950, and Penn State in 1990.

Conference realignment isn't a 21st century thing. It's been going on for basically the entire existence of the sport
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BRUNNIN4
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
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UT and TAMU have played more games against each other than any two other teams in the SEC, and that's without having played in 10 years.

Deep South's Oldest Rivalry has been played 7 more times.


TheeRealCarolina
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
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Raise a glass to the BCS era, the true golden age.


Yup. There were 3, maybe 4 years where there was legit fuss about the two teams in the title game, but other than that, nothing. Has there been any playoffs year where all 3 games were competitive from start to finish?


Gus007
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
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Feels to me like the end game has always been 4, 16-team conference and this UT/OU news is just the next step in that direction? So I say no.




How long before they set up a "Draft" for HS athletes?
How soon do the players set up a Union?


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TheeRealCarolina
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
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Umm, January of 2015?


They were never in that game.

They blew their load running up the scoreboard on a FSU team that was held together by gum and sticks that year. 7 of their 13 pre play off games were decided by one possession or less and another 3 were by two possessions or less. They were a 10-2/9-3 top 15 team masquerading as a top 4 team.


KosmoCramer
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
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Has there been any playoffs year where all 3 games were competitive from start to finish?


2018 CFP was a solid year.


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VADawg
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
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They were never in that game.

They blew their load running up the scoreboard on a FSU team that was held together by gum and sticks that year. 7 of their 13 pre play off games were decided by one possession or less and another 3 were by two possessions or less. They were a 10-2/9-3 top 15 team masquerading as a top 4 team.


I always thought 2012 was Oregon's best team in that era.


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VABuckeye
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
It was 21-20 in the 3rd quarter. This was however because Ohio State kept putting the ball on the ground. You're right in that once that was cured the game was over.

They still played for the title and it wasn't 10-11 years ago as the poster stated.


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go ta hell ole miss
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
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Exactly. The "win it all or your season was a failure" attitude of today's fans is a big part of what's wrong with the sport.


This is largely attributable to the playoff system.


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FightinTigersDammit
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
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Oklahoma is always good


Just good enough to get curbstomped in the playoffs. I think Justin Jefferson just scored another TD against them.


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kingbob
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
Pretty much. There’s several big issues that I see destroying the sport:
1. Loss of traditional rivalries: conference realignment has been cool for allowing a lot of teams to get to play others that they weren’t used to seeing, but many lost historical rivalries in the process. College football, more than almost any other sports league, is defined by its rivalries. That’s the big draw, and the following annual rivalries are all no more as a result of last decade’s realignment:
Nebraska vs Mizzou
Kansas vs Mizzou
Kansas vs Nebraska
Stanford vs USC
Texas vs Texas A&M
Pitt vs West Virginia
Notre Dame vs Michigan St
Michigan vs Michigan St

2. Rules changes meant to combat CTE Lawsuits. While many like the high flying offenses, recent versions for rules like targeting, pass interference, defensive holding, crackback blocks, etc have changed the way the game is played significantly, allowing more games to be decided based on how officials call certain penalties. Many rules create a so-called “strike zone” for where defensive players can hit a ball carrier, and the rules change year to year. Are low hits good or bad this year? What about the mid section? Leading with the shoulders? Let’s ask the refs! They’ll probably have a different answer each game.

3. Unlimited transfers without sitting out. This is just dumb. CFB now has free-agency with talent having zero patience to sit behind veteran players and learn. Was the previous rule so unfair?

4. Name image and likeness is pandora’s box and could ruin the sport. All of the corruption in college sports basically just became legal and able to happen right in the open. Program boosters essential engage in bidding wars with endorsements for legitimate products. It’s like if the NFL paid all their players $40k/year and expected everyone to make up the rest in ad deals. With unlimited transfers and the ability to cash out with endorsements, players can legally and openly be bought away from competing.

5. Cost increases. Facilities and bribes cost money. Recruitment is expensive. To make the numbers work, major CFB programs have drastically raised prices, and in doing so, made their stadium environments far more tame and corporate. See, loud, angry, passionate a-holes just don’t have as much money as corporations do to “donate” money to a university or “business expense” tickets for entertaining clients. It’s essentially money laundering and tax fraud and it’s causing a bubble in college sports ticket prices which seems to be bursting.

6. PC Cancel Culture is destroying college traditions, and not just the ones that probably needed to die like hazing and panty raids. Mascot names, school songs, live mascots, nicknames, championship winning coaches, traditions that have existed for many decades, some over a century, are being called into question by folks who DGAF about college sports to begin with. It’s why Texas won’t play “The Eyes of Texas are Upon You”, Ole Miss no longer has Colonel Reb, LSU’s live bengal Tiger no longer comes to games to glare at the opposing team coming out of their locker room, Stanford’s band is banned from nearly every stadium (often including their own), etc. This kind of silliness takes away the pageantry of the game and tends to replace it with bland corporate nothingness until every program is essentially indistinguishable from every other team. This also has the added issue of absolutely hacking off major boosters and sponsors who care about the team, while putting programs in a bind between wealthy multinational advertisers who want one thing and local large donors who want something completely different. In the end, the fans nearly always lose.

7. Championship or bust mentality. This actually goes hand-in-hand with the corporatization of the sport. The more money someone spends on something, the more they begin to look at it like an investment requiring an ROI. Paying $30/ticket might be fine for .500 ball, but if you’re paying $230/ticket, suddenly, 7-5 just ain’t cutting it. Premium prices demand premium results. As the media has focused exclusively on the playoff race, so have fans, boosters, sponsors, and players. Bowls have become almost completely meaningless, and they were already exhibition games, so that says a lot.

8. Lack of parity. It becomes abundantly clear, early on, that fewer than 20 teams have any shot at a playoff appearance in a given year, and usually no more than 3 or 4 look capable of actually winning it all. Those numbers wouldn’t be bad in a 32 team league, but there’s over 120 FBS teams. There’s just not enough attention or parity in the current system to make it interesting for the overwhelming majority of teams. People get fatigued seeing Ohio St, Clemson, and Alabama in the playoffs every year. While there’s an obvious argument to be made that other teams need to “try getting good”, CFB really does have a serious issue here of haves vs have-nots. The rules actually are against the mid-majors, who have no chance at a title even if they win all of their games for 2 years in a row. It’s blatantly unfair, and everyone can see it. Hopefully, some of the proposed post-season changes happen, and it will help to chip away at the parity issues by allowing more teams to get the attention of the post season for recruiting purposes, and spread the talent in college football out more across the board.


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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
Pretty much agreed with all of your thoughts


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Stidham8
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
Our system now is better than the BCS was.

2003 LSU vs USC never happened but would've with a playoff.

2004 Auburn got robbed

several USC teams from 2006-2008 would've given the SEC champs much better games than Ohio State and Oklahoma.

2007 Georgia was probably the hottest team in the country and was left out. They would've won a 4 team playoff.

2013 Alabama lost one top 5 road game on a miracle play and was forced to sit out

2014 Ohio State would've been completely out of the picture and the title would've been FSU vs Bama. Neither team even made it to the natty.

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SoDakHawk
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re: Has college football basically slowly killed itself since Nebraska bolted for the Big Ten?
Nailed it.

Also agree with your conclusion. As weird as it sounds, expanding the playoff might be the cure. The CFP is not going away. By expanding it though, it allows more teams a shot, more teams a recruiting tool, and hopefully spreads out the talent.


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