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Great read on why paying college athletes would NOT be doomsday
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:01 am
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:01 am
From Sports on Earth
From the end of the article:
From the end of the article:
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For the sake of argument, however, suppose current cost structures remained fixed. Florida women's lacrosse can't function without a $15 million building. There is no way to replace Louisville athletic director Tom Jurich with a perfectly competent executive who will accept less than Jurich's $1.4 million annual salary. Now suppose that in a free market, schools have to shake the couch cushions and come up with, say, 50 percent more money to compensate and/or bid for revenue sport athletes. Guess what? They could find the money. Without slashing women's rowing. Fact: sports are a small part of overall campus budgets. In 2009-2010, total expenses for non-revenue sports (that's for everything, not just scholarships) at Florida were $79.5 million -- approximately three percent of total campus revenue. At Michigan, the University of Maryland, the University of Illinois and UCLA, total non-revenue sports expenses over the same period were approximately one percent of the same. If schools truly value scholarships in sports like field hockey and track, they can find ways to pay for them -- just like they do in the here and now, even as overall expenses go up.
Contrary to his self-serving, fear-mongering public pronouncements, Remy is smart. So is Delany. So are many of the people running college athletics. They might be disingenuous, paternalistic and unwilling to share their toys with the other kids in the sandbox, but they're also adaptable. If O'Bannon wins, they'll adjust. More than a half-century ago, the NCAA adopted something called "the Sanity Code," which permitted schools to offer athletes need-based financial aid for tuition -- a once unthinkable, amateurism-sullying practice -- but not money for room and board. Arguing for the rule, association president Karl Leib warned that anything more generous would create "chaos worse than anything we ever dreamed of" while fretting that "if athletes are obtained on the open market, I pity the schools who cannot bid high." A year later, the Sanity Code was dead; today, Kentucky men's basketball players reside in a $7 million player dormitory that includes a private chef.
The end is always nigh. Except when it isn't.
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:27 am to Sophandros
College athletes already get paid
Posted on 7/26/13 at 6:37 am to Sophandros
No.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 8:13 am to BuckeyeFan87
Both of you REALLY need to read the article.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 8:23 am to Sophandros
I think it's dumb that the large majority of athletes are not being compensated for their time in college football. Go look at a team store like Texas A&M Football. I can gauarantee you that the first jersey you see is a #2 jersey. There is no name on the back of the jersey, but EVERYONE KNOWS who that jersey represents. Look at AJ Green when he was at Georgia. There were #8 jerseys everywhere. Now you will struggle to find a #8 Georgia jersey in any store. The NCAA as a whole capitalizes on these kids' names without giving them a single dime. Same thing as EA Sports and their college game. Literally the only thing missing from their games were the names associated with the players.
That sure as shite looks like Tim Tebow to me. The player likeness in it is insane.
Looks like Johnny Football here as well.
They need to compensate these kids, end of story.
That sure as shite looks like Tim Tebow to me. The player likeness in it is insane.
Looks like Johnny Football here as well.
They need to compensate these kids, end of story.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 8:24 am to VerlanderBEAST
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College athletes already get paid
yup, they already get up 19k a year in money on top of schollies, training, medical attention, tutors, etc. etc........
Posted on 7/26/13 at 8:29 am to Sophandros
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Guess what? They could find the money. Without slashing women's rowing. Fact: sports are a small part of overall campus budgets. In 2009-2010, total expenses for non-revenue sports (that's for everything, not just scholarships) at Florida were $79.5 million -- approximately three percent of total campus revenue. At Michigan, the University of Maryland, the University of Illinois and UCLA, total non-revenue sports expenses over the same period were approximately one percent of the same. If schools truly value scholarships in sports like field hockey and track, they can find ways to pay for them
many schools, especially state schools, are in budgetary crises. i wonder how they will "find the money"
...especially once the student loan bubble bursts
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Replace guarantee-game creampuffs with regular opponents. Let Plonsky go -- most schools manage to endure with a single, non-gender-specific athletic director. Cut Dodds' salary in half. Trim $300,000 from each of the remaining categories. Congratulations: you just covered the $4.2 million cost of all non-revenue sport athletic scholarships at Texas. All via savings the school could achieve right now, without waiting for the resolution of the O'Bannon case.
this is just ridiculous
typical progressive authoritarian command
just like the assumption that the players choosing to go to college are not rational enough to make their own decision. ridiculous and a complete lie made just to make some point. classic prog behavior
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 8:30 am
Posted on 7/26/13 at 8:32 am to USAF Hart
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I think it's dumb that the large majority of athletes are not being compensated for their time in college football.
they are
and players willingly sign away their rights to their image while in college. nobody put a gun to their head
coming back after the fact, and trying to go back on the deal, is not only dishonorable, it's a complete farce/lie
do you believe people should go back on contracts they agree to with you, when it appears that the deal they agreed to didn't work out as perfectly as they imagined in their head? really?
Posted on 7/26/13 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
But slo, what is the functional alternative for a person who wants to play organized football from ages 18-21. Seems to be no other alternatives than to join an NCAA member institution. It is essentially a monoploy.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Do you have a copy of the full letter of intent to play a collegiate sport? I would like to read the full thing to see if it states that your presence at our institution will be used to bring in hundreds of thousands of dollars in jersey sales, and video game sales.
and players willingly sign away their rights to their image while in college. nobody put a gun to their head
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 8:44 am
Posted on 7/26/13 at 8:42 am to Rouge
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But slo, what is the functional alternative for a person who wants to play organized football from ages 18-21.
right now, there is none...but not due to any rules of the NCAA. that's an NFL issue and if people want to get upset, they should be pointing fingers at the NFL (the USSC already ruled their age limitation was legal also)
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It is essentially a monoploy.
and if college sports ended tomorrow, the NFL would take over and you'd be dealing with another
there isn't really a "non-cartel" option, so that's really not a strong argument
Posted on 7/26/13 at 8:43 am to Rouge
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what is the functional alternative for a person who wants to play organized football from ages 18-21
CFL, European leagues, they could not play and train, etc.. The colleges are grooming them for their career, just like you or I, except the get a whole hell of a lot more.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 8:43 am to Rouge
The problem is the ridiculous draft age/years out of HS requirements. If you are good enough to be a pro then you should be a pro.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 8:44 am to USAF Hart
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if it states that your presence at our institution will be used to bring in hundreds of thousands of dollars in jersey sales, and video game sales.
that's pretty much implied and only a dishonest or mentally deficient person would not realize that possibility
Posted on 7/26/13 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
So if donald trump, procherov (sp) and zuckerberg want to start a minor league football system, it was be essentially legal?
Posted on 7/26/13 at 8:45 am to VerlanderBEAST
The only sport(s) I could see this even being a remote possibility is baseball/basketball.
There is no way that the best HS football player could go straight from HS to the Pros and not get quite literally killed.
There is no way that the best HS football player could go straight from HS to the Pros and not get quite literally killed.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 8:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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that's pretty much implied and only a dishonest or mentally deficient person would not realize that possibility
If that's the case, then why has NCAA decided to remove itself from the exclusive contract with EA during the player likeness lawsuit against EA and the NCAA? It's not as implied as you think. There is no cash handout being given to these players (unless it's from a booster, or some other illegal terms). Sure, they are getting full scholarships, and what not. I get that. The kids are still being used as money makers.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 8:49 am to Rouge
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So if donald trump, procherov (sp) and zuckerberg want to start a minor league football system, it was be essentially legal?
the only thing that truly killed the USFL and XFL was a lack of popularity with the general population
if people keep pushing the producers of the NCAA, the most likely end result is a dissolution of the NCAA and a "super league" forming under its own rules. that's kind of like the options in soccer, with financial fair play being pushed by FIFA.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 8:49 am to USAF Hart
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There is no way that the best HS football player could go straight from HS to the Pros and not get quite literally killed.
and if they did, more than likely their first couple of years would be a wash, and be wasted money for the NFL teams.
Think how many bust there are from HS to CFB, then think of how many bust there are from CFB to NFL. Going from HS to NFL would be a nightmare scenario
Posted on 7/26/13 at 8:53 am to USAF Hart
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n why has NCAA decided to remove itself from the exclusive contract with EA during the player likeness lawsuit against EA and the NCAA?
because our government and courts love to allow people who willingly entered into contracts to back out of them
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The kids are still being used as money makers.
and the kids are using the marketing machines of the NCAA and its member schools to create their own brand
funny enough we have an actual, concrete example of this that occurred within the past 10 years or so: the NBA changing its entry rules to require 1 year of college basketball. that was a pure marketing move for teams so that when a kevin durant or derrick rose gets drafted, they're already a "somebody"
you don't think that johnny football has benefited from his 2 years at TAMU? you think if he was toiling away in a minor league system, being years away from the nation knowing who he is, he'd be better off?
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