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re: GIFs of Final play: Pats/Panthers
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:17 am to dante
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:17 am to dante
quote:False:
Gronk does not even try to make an adjustment to the ball until the DB is already 3 steps in front of him. If 59 is not even in the area there is no way Gronk beats 38 to the ball.
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Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:18 am to baytiger
quote:Which makes the officials judgment call correct. The contact had little to no affect on the play.
that makes it unlikely for Gronk to catch it
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:20 am to dante
quote:
The contact had little to no affect on the play.
Lol
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:25 am to dante
This shot really sums it up:
Look at:
1. How high Lester is jumping to make the catch. (His cleats are black so it's hard to see at first).
2. How in line with Gronk the pass is, especially considering Gronk was held and pushed back and to the right (his left) by Kuechly.
The spot where Gronk would have been is perfectly in play for the ball.
Look at:
1. How high Lester is jumping to make the catch. (His cleats are black so it's hard to see at first).
2. How in line with Gronk the pass is, especially considering Gronk was held and pushed back and to the right (his left) by Kuechly.
The spot where Gronk would have been is perfectly in play for the ball.
This post was edited on 11/19/13 at 10:27 am
Posted on 11/19/13 at 10:39 am to USMCTiger03
In that picture it looks like 38 is at least 1-2 yards in from of Gronk. Gronk is trying to plant his feet to move forward, the DB is already moving forward. IMHO there is no way Gronk makes that catch or even a play on the ball. BTW I had NE +2. I am just trying to remove emotion from the discussion.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 11:00 am to dante
He actually has just planted his foot to pivot forward; unheld, he makes the pivot and is right there. He and Lester are almost the same distance from the "catchable zone" of the pass when the contact occurs.
I've got no dog in the hunt, I just like looking into crucial things like this.
I've got no dog in the hunt, I just like looking into crucial things like this.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 11:23 am to TheDoc
Posted on 11/19/13 at 11:36 am to Rittdog
quote:
I agree with the no call. Yes the defender should be required to look back for the ball, but the offense already has enough advantages without gettin PI called every time they throw a ball 5 yards behind a covered WR at the ground and the DB has no chance to find the ball because theres no reason it should be thrown there other than for a hopeful PI call
That wasnt a comeback route, it was a well defended play that had no chance over the top so brady threw it in a spot he could hope for a PI call or just a terrible throw because his hand was hurt
Posted on 11/19/13 at 11:37 am to Rittdog
It really doesn't matter what the opinion of the side judge was in regards to catchable or not. It was a textbook case of PI. Section E of the NFL pi
rules states:
If a defender blocks the path of the intended WR TO THE BALL, while not playing the ball, it is PI
No official can use his 'judgment' in lieu of the action on the field. Gronks path to the ball was clearly impeded. The LB was in no way making a play on the ball
The reason the rule is written that way is to take the officials judgment out of the call. If the WRs path to the ball has been taken away from him by someone playing him and not the ball, no human can 'guess' as to the abilities of a paid professional athlete in getting back to the ball.
/end of story
rules states:
If a defender blocks the path of the intended WR TO THE BALL, while not playing the ball, it is PI
No official can use his 'judgment' in lieu of the action on the field. Gronks path to the ball was clearly impeded. The LB was in no way making a play on the ball
The reason the rule is written that way is to take the officials judgment out of the call. If the WRs path to the ball has been taken away from him by someone playing him and not the ball, no human can 'guess' as to the abilities of a paid professional athlete in getting back to the ball.
/end of story
Posted on 11/19/13 at 11:59 am to USMCTiger03
quote:
've got no dog in the hunt, I just like looking into crucial things like this.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 12:22 pm to dante
Posted on 11/19/13 at 12:31 pm to USMCTiger03
quote:
The spot where Gronk would have been is perfectly in play for the ball.
Dude, no way. That still shot doesnt prove anything.
There is juts no fricking way that Gronk would have been able to catch that ball.
Lester breaks for the ball before Gronk even tries to change his direction. It just wouldnt have happened. PERIOD.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 12:35 pm to League Champs
quote:
It really doesn't matter what the opinion of the side judge was in regards to catchable or not. It was a textbook case of PI. Section E of the NFL pi
rules states:
If a defender blocks the path of the intended WR TO THE BALL, while not playing the ball, it is PI
No official can use his 'judgment' in lieu of the action on the field. Gronks path to the ball was clearly impeded. The LB was in no way making a play on the ball
The reason the rule is written that way is to take the officials judgment out of the call. If the WRs path to the ball has been taken away from him by someone playing him and not the ball, no human can 'guess' as to the abilities of a paid professional athlete in getting back to the ball.
/end of story
Rulebook
Actions that do not constitute pass interference include but are not limited to: (a) Incidental contact by a defender’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference.
(b) Inadvertent tangling of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.
(c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players.
This post was edited on 11/19/13 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 11/19/13 at 12:38 pm to Funky Tide 8
quote:
There is juts no fricking way that Gronk would have been able to catch that ball.
You sound pretty sure that a 6'6" 265lb athlete can't move 2 yards to make a play on the ball.
This post was edited on 11/19/13 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 11/19/13 at 12:42 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:And he's correct. There were two defenders between him and the ball.
You sound pretty sure that a 6'6" 265lb athlete can't move 2 yards to make a play on the ball.
He had established no path to the ball; therefore, that part of the rule (e) is being incorrectly cited.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 12:53 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:
You sound pretty sure that a 6'6" 265lb athlete can't move 2 yards to make a play on the ball.
His forward momentum still had to be stopped, and then he had to be able to move forward and get in front of a defender who was already in position. I don't think there was anyway Gronk could have caught that ball.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 1:00 pm to RedHawk
quote:
His forward momentum still had to be stopped, and then he had to be able to move forward and get in front of a defender who was already in position.
Looked like his momentum had stopped right there.
Posted on 11/19/13 at 1:01 pm to GCTiger11
quote:
Looked like his momentum had stopped right there.
How can you tell momentum from a photo?
Posted on 11/19/13 at 1:10 pm to GCTiger11
from about a yard or two from where the interception occurred, the receive made a move to stop his momentum and go after the ball, but the Carolina Defender pushed him back not allowing him to go after the ball. If he wasn't impeded than there would have been a jump ball and the taller receiver could have easily made the catch.
clear PI and horrible call.
clear PI and horrible call.
This post was edited on 11/19/13 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 11/19/13 at 1:11 pm to RedHawk
quote:
How can you tell momentum from a photo?
He planted his feet and was obviously about to make an effort towards the ball while it was still in the air.
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