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Future of the Remaining ACC Members? Big East?
Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:57 am
Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:57 am
When the dust settles and the B1G/SEC finally gets to either 20 or 24 members...what happens to the remaining ACC schools that are on the outside looking in? Could a reformation of a Big East Football Conference be possible? I mean, what other options would some of these schools have?
The following schools all seem like they will make the cut with a B1G or SEC invite.
Clemson
Florida St
Miami
North Carolina
Duke
NC State
Georgia Tech
Virginia
But, once those schools all leave, the ACC will officially dissolve, so none of the exiting schools have to pay the GOR exit fee...But what happens to the other schools? At that point, the Big 12 doesn't seem like they are interested? Those remaining schools probably don't want to join a conference like the AAC, SBC, CUSA or MAC...so could their best option be to reform a Big East Football Conference? Again, the ACC would have to officially dissolve for any of the above schools to leave without a fine, so the ACC branding couldn't be used for the remaining schools. Is this even being discussed? To me, this seems like a good, common sense resolution?
New Big East:
West Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
Cincinnati
Louisville
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Boston College
East Carolina
UCF
USF
Memphis
The following schools all seem like they will make the cut with a B1G or SEC invite.
Clemson
Florida St
Miami
North Carolina
Duke
NC State
Georgia Tech
Virginia
But, once those schools all leave, the ACC will officially dissolve, so none of the exiting schools have to pay the GOR exit fee...But what happens to the other schools? At that point, the Big 12 doesn't seem like they are interested? Those remaining schools probably don't want to join a conference like the AAC, SBC, CUSA or MAC...so could their best option be to reform a Big East Football Conference? Again, the ACC would have to officially dissolve for any of the above schools to leave without a fine, so the ACC branding couldn't be used for the remaining schools. Is this even being discussed? To me, this seems like a good, common sense resolution?
New Big East:
West Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
Cincinnati
Louisville
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Boston College
East Carolina
UCF
USF
Memphis
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:01 am to Buckeye Backer
Someone mentioned earlier that they have a dogshit tv deal that nobody will want to join. They might be shite out of luck. If the ACC lost it’s big dogs, I see no reason why Cincy, UCF, and West Virginia would jump ship. Hell I could see the Big 12 hollering at Pitt, Louisville, and others to connect their Eastern schools
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 8:04 am
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:05 am to Buckeye Backer
Cincy and UCF are in the Big 12. Why would they leave that to go to the Big East?
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:09 am to Buckeye Backer
I want Clemson to get left behind so bad.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:12 am to Buckeye Backer
The remaining schools would take the ACC branding before the Big East
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:12 am to Glorious
quote:
Someone mentioned earlier that they have a dogshit tv deal that nobody will want to join. They might be shite out of luck. Hell I could see the Big 12 hollering at Pitt, Louisville, and others to connect their Eastern schools
That's totally possilble, but to me, it just seems like the Big 12 is more interested in going west and adding PAC members. Those remaining ACC schools are mostly all former Big East schools.
New Big 16:
Kansas
Kansas St
Iowa St
Oklahoma St
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Arizona
Arizona St
Utah
BYU
Oregon St
Washington St
Colorado St
Houston
SMU
I think a new Big East could absolutely happen if the ACC is raided, as is rumored. Would be a good football conference for all of those members.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:22 am to Buckeye Backer
Also aside from Cincy and UCF not leaving, do you just expect the Big East to figure out how to split money up now with a bunch of non football members and football members this time? Wasn’t this the issue before? I’m not even sure Villanova/Seton Hall/etc would want this
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 8:23 am
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:36 am to Buckeye Backer
I still believe that both the B1G and SEC stop at 20. I don't see eight more schools per conference that add the monetary value they require.
SEC will add four of the following once the ACC schools who want out figure out how to defeat the grant of rights, or wait it out: FSU, Clemson, VT/UVA, UNC/NC State.
The B1G will add three of the following schools, plus Notre Dame, once ND realizes that it will never come close to the money it can get in the B1G as an independent: Stanford, Washington, Oregon, UNC, or UVA.
I see the rumors, but I don't buy for a second that the B1G wants to expand into the southeast for Miami, GT, or Duke. I also find it hard to believe that Clemson or FSU would take a B1G invite over an SEC invite. They'll have their choice between the two once that ACC grant of rights is finished or busted.
SEC will add four of the following once the ACC schools who want out figure out how to defeat the grant of rights, or wait it out: FSU, Clemson, VT/UVA, UNC/NC State.
The B1G will add three of the following schools, plus Notre Dame, once ND realizes that it will never come close to the money it can get in the B1G as an independent: Stanford, Washington, Oregon, UNC, or UVA.
I see the rumors, but I don't buy for a second that the B1G wants to expand into the southeast for Miami, GT, or Duke. I also find it hard to believe that Clemson or FSU would take a B1G invite over an SEC invite. They'll have their choice between the two once that ACC grant of rights is finished or busted.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:58 am to BreakawayZou83
ACC member schools need to be proactive. The SEC by taking Texas and OU and the B1G by taking UCLA and USC was proactive and the schools were also. I think the Big 12 is being more proactive. If the ACC just thinks the GOR and ND playing 5 games is enough until 2035 they will get smoked and smaller schools like Wake and even schools like Duke and Pitt and Syracuse will find themselves in a bad situation.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 9:04 am to BreakawayZou83
quote:
The B1G will add three of the following schools, plus Notre Dame, once ND realizes that it will never come close to the money it can get in the B1G as an independent: Stanford, Washington, Oregon, UNC, or UVA.
quote:
but I don't buy for a second that the B1G wants to expand into the southeast for Miami, GT, or Duke.
UNC and Duke campuses are 10 miles from each other.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 9:12 am to GamecockUltimate
quote:
I want Clemson to get left behind so bad.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 9:29 am to VABuckeye
quote:
but I don't buy for a second that the B1G wants to expand into the southeast for Miami, GT, or Duke.
UNC and Duke campuses are 10 miles from each other.
Right, but why would the B1G add Duke? It's a small, private school with zero football presence. The fact that the campuses are close just means that it is more likely that Duke gets left out since UNC accounts for the same market.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 9:29 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:
Also aside from Cincy and UCF not leaving, do you just expect the Big East to figure out how to split money up now with a bunch of non football members and football members this time? Wasn’t this the issue before? I’m not even sure Villanova/Seton Hall/etc would want this
None of that is really official until they start play. Cincinnati and UCF are still in the AAC for this year. That is a LOT of time to change course. I think when the ACC falls apart, that will change the course for both Cincinnati and UCF, because at that point i think the Big 12 would rather go West and scoup up PAC schools...especially if an opportunity arises like i am suggesting. I guess i didn't mean a conference named the "Big East" in actuality, but more like an "old" Big East format. Call it whatever you want, but a new conference that is just like the old Big East. Geographically, competitively, historically...all good for each other. Sorry for the confusion.
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 9:31 am
Posted on 7/27/22 at 9:37 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:
The remaining schools would take the ACC branding before the Big East
Not if the ACC officially "dissolves"...which is what would absolutely need to happen if those schools were to leave the ACC for the B1G and SEC. They have to dissolve the conference in order to NOT pay the GOR exit fee. At that point, i am not sure the remaining schools would even be allowed to use the branding unless the conference just allows those schools to leave without paying an exit fee...that's the only way the ACC branding would survive. Thus the whole reason for this thread. The remaining old "Big East" schools would be left to fend for themselves and a new conference...
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 9:38 am
Posted on 7/27/22 at 9:40 am to Buckeye Backer
If they brought the Big East back I would be happy if it all fell apart and these teams were left out of the Big 2..yes, I know there is no money
Miami
VT
Pitt
WVU
Temple
BC
Cuse
UCF replaces Rutgers
If you want 9,add in ECU for some of NC
If you want 10, add in Louisville (even though I think they go Big 12)
Miami
VT
Pitt
WVU
Temple
BC
Cuse
UCF replaces Rutgers
If you want 9,add in ECU for some of NC
If you want 10, add in Louisville (even though I think they go Big 12)
Posted on 7/27/22 at 9:42 am to Buckeye Backer
Why would it absolutely need to happen? More likely the left behind schools reach a deal to take the ACC brand like what happened with the Big East and let them out of the GOR.
Why would the remaining “old Big East schools” (not even sure what you’re referring to here) would be left to fend for themselves? You realize a current Big East exists, right?
Why would the remaining “old Big East schools” (not even sure what you’re referring to here) would be left to fend for themselves? You realize a current Big East exists, right?
Posted on 7/27/22 at 9:48 am to tccdc
quote:
If they brought the Big East back I would be happy if it all fell apart and these teams were left out of the Big 2..yes, I know there is no money
Miami
VT
Pitt
WVU
Temple
BC
Cuse
UCF replaces Rutgers
If you want 9,add in ECU for some of NC
If you want 10, add in Louisville (even though I think they go Big 12)
See i completely disagree. In the situation that the ACC is cannibalized by the B1G/SEC and dissolves...I think the Big 12 would rethink adding Cincinnati and UCF...and add PAC schools instead. In that case, i think the Big 12 would FAR prefer this conference of 14 members...
Big 14:
Kansas
Kansas St
Iowa St
Oklahoma St
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Arizona*
Arizona St*
Utah*
Oregon St
Washington St*
BYU*
Colorado St*
Houston*
West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF would be let out of their agreement, and those schools would form a conference with leftover ACC schools. That makes WAAAAAY more sense for the Big 12.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 9:52 am to Buckeye Backer
If we play this theme to the end, here is where I think we end up. This assumes no one goes past 20 schools.
B1G grabs 2 more Pac 12 schools, ND, and an ACC school.
Big XII grabs 4 Pac 12 schools (and stops at 16)
SEC grabs 4 ACC schools
The leftover Pac 12 schools go to the MWC
The leftover ACC schools combine in some fashion with a number of the AAC schools, and form a new conference.
The remaining AAC schools that don't combine with the leftover ACC schools, end up going to CUSA or Sun Belt.
B1G grabs 2 more Pac 12 schools, ND, and an ACC school.
Big XII grabs 4 Pac 12 schools (and stops at 16)
SEC grabs 4 ACC schools
The leftover Pac 12 schools go to the MWC
The leftover ACC schools combine in some fashion with a number of the AAC schools, and form a new conference.
The remaining AAC schools that don't combine with the leftover ACC schools, end up going to CUSA or Sun Belt.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 9:53 am to Buckeye Backer
“Let out of their agreement” lol. West Virginia is a member of the conference. They’re just gonna kick them out? And West Virginia is gonna take it and go to a knockoff ACC?
Posted on 7/27/22 at 9:57 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:
Why would it absolutely need to happen? More likely the left behind schools reach a deal to take the ACC brand like what happened with the Big East and let them out of the GOR.
Why would the remaining “old Big East schools” (not even sure what you’re referring to here) would be left to fend for themselves? You realize a current Big East exists, right?
My goodness...ok...if the ACC survives, its because the conference would have to let those schools leave without paying the GOR exit fee...which if you have been paying attention, the ACC Commissioner has been steadfast about not letting happen. So they would have to dissolve the conference in order for them to leave the ACC for the B1G or SEC. At that point, there is no more ACC. Why is this hard to understand? And yes, i fully realize there is a basketball only Big East conference. What i am referring to is the FACT that all of the leftover ACC schools are old Big East schools...Syracuse, Boston College, Virginia Tech, Louisville and Pitt. It would be far easier for them to get the band back together and add Cincinnati, West Virginia, UCF, USF and Wake Forest to form a new conference that's just like the "Old Big East".
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