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re: for those of you annointing Tebow after going 4-1 as a starter
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:12 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:12 am to H-Town Tiger
Just saw a funny tweet from Gregg Doyle at CBS.
Tim Tebow is the anti-LeBron: Absolutely useless until the game's on the line. And then, winner
Tim Tebow is the anti-LeBron: Absolutely useless until the game's on the line. And then, winner
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Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:13 am to TU Rob
I'm going to dub the offensive package the Broncos run at the end of games "Jesus Take the Wheel".
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:16 am to DP40
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but his intangibles and intelligence allows him to be successful enough to win.
or he plays shitty offensive teams that cant score enough to totally expose him for what he is.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:21 am to Lester Earl
As I said earlier today, Von Miller and Elvis Dumerville deserve the credit for Denver's success, not Tim Tebow.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:25 am to DP40
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Considering the lack of talent at the WR position Tebow should be losing in an embarrassing fashion weekly.
do they have different WR from the first 5 games? Of those they did lose 4, 1 was a beat down at Green Bay, the best team in the league. The other's where by 3,3 and 5. If they didn't lose embarassingly with those WR and Orton, why would it be different with Tebow?
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His accuracy is weak, but his intangibles and intelligence allows him to be successful enough to win.
that must be it. could not possibly be improved defensive play or playing weaker/struggling teams with crappy offenses.
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 11:27 am
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:27 am to Sophandros
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Von Miller and Elvis Dumerville deserve the credit for Denver's success,
how can that be, they are not QB's?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:45 am to H-Town Tiger
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do they have different WR from the first 5 games?
They did trade away their only true #1 option at that spot.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:47 am to xenythx
does it really matter who the WR's are if he can't throw it anywhere near them?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:54 am to H-Town Tiger
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The other's where by 3,3 and 5. If they didn't lose embarassingly with those WR and Orton, why would it be different with Tebow?
Orton had 7 interceptions in his starts thats how you lose close games. Tebow has 1 tunover on the year. When you have a great defense you run the football and dont turn it over. Tebow does both of those things. I dont understand how yall dont understand that Tebow at qb has allowed this team to do what they need to do to win. No one is saying that he won the game single handedly. Everyone is saying that he is doing what orton couldnt. He does what the coaches ask of him and make plays when the game is on the line and yet he gets blasted for it because hes not what yall think a QB should be.
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 11:55 am
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:56 am to Sophandros
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As I said earlier today, Von Miller and Elvis Dumerville deserve the credit for Denver's success, not Tim Tebow.
Would they be 4-1 with Orton as the starter? I don't know.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:56 am to Adam Banks
You don't get it.
We don't hate Tebow.
We hate the narrative that is built up around him and other bad quarterbacks on teams that win games.
Personally, I've made the decision to hate the people who perpetuate that narrative, as well. Thus, I hate you now.
But I actually think Tebow's a good guy, and thus don't hate him.
We don't hate Tebow.
We hate the narrative that is built up around him and other bad quarterbacks on teams that win games.
Personally, I've made the decision to hate the people who perpetuate that narrative, as well. Thus, I hate you now.
But I actually think Tebow's a good guy, and thus don't hate him.
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 11:57 am
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:58 am to xenythx
:baitset:
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:59 am to Sophandros
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I don't believe in attributing wins to QBs.
Does that mean that the Colts, Saints, and Pats winning have little or nothing to do with Manning, Brees, and Brady?
Ive havent seen players, especially defensive players react to thier own QB since Joe Montana like they did to Tebow last night. Anyone who doesnt think that Tebow has raised the level of play for the entire team simply by leadership and his on the field effort doesnt watch enough football.
Being an NFL quarterback is so much more than just throwing the ball. If it wasnt Jamarcus would be an all time great!
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:01 pm to bomber77
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Ive havent seen players, especially defensive players react to thier own QB since Joe Montana like they did to Tebow last night
how did they react the first 54 minutes of the game?
the body language of his WR's everytime he threw the ball into the ground was not good.
They should be kissing Goodman's feet, not Tebow. HE's the only reason the game was close considering Den had like 2 first downs until the last drive.
That kind of offensive performance comes back to bite you.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:01 pm to Sophandros
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You don't get it.
We don't hate Tebow.
We hate the narrative that is built up around him and other bad quarterbacks on teams that win games.
Personally, I've made the decision to hate the people who perpetuate that narrative, as well. Thus, I hate you now.
But I actually think Tebow's a good guy, and thus don't hate him.
No one has said he single handedly won the game but you should be able to understand that the broncos are better with him at qb than with the qb type that you want-Orton. Yall keep bringing up his throwing ability when no one denies that he cant throw. He can run though and running the football is what you have to do to win consistently....just ask the saints why they couldnt get past the first round last year.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:03 pm to castorinho
Tebow combined passing and running is giving you about 220 yards/2 TDs a game as a guy that has only started 8 total games and has arguably the worst set of offensive weapons around him in the NFL, minus Colt McCoy.
How is that any different than a QB that throws for 220 a game and gets you nearly no rushing yards? Again, do yards in the air count for more than yards on the ground?
How is that any different than a QB that throws for 220 a game and gets you nearly no rushing yards? Again, do yards in the air count for more than yards on the ground?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:03 pm to bomber77
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Does that mean that the Colts, Saints, and Pats winning have little or nothing to do with Manning, Brees, and Brady?
Those guys are actually making plays that lead to their teams' winning. Generating a grand total of 2 first downs on your first 10 drives isn't making plays that lead to your team's winning games. Completing 2 passes in a game (shite, only being allowed to throw 8 passes in a game) is not making plays that lead to your team's winning.
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Ive havent seen players, especially defensive players react to thier own QB since Joe Montana like they did to Tebow last night.
You attribute it to Tebow--unjustly, I might add. I attribute it to adjustments made by the coaching staff during the bye week.
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Anyone who doesnt think that Tebow has raised the level of play for the entire team simply by leadership and his on the field effort doesnt watch enough football.
I watch a lot of football. I still play competitive sport. Attributing TEAM SUCCESS to ONE GUY (particularly one guy who's not playing well) is an insult to the rest of the players in the locker room.
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Being an NFL quarterback is so much more than just throwing the ball. If it wasnt Jamarcus would be an all time great!
Jamarcus couldn't throw very well at the NFL level, either.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:05 pm to Adam Banks
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No one has said he single handedly won the game but you should be able to understand that the broncos are better with him at qb than with the qb type that you want-Orton.
I contend that they would still have won 4 of their last 5 with Orton at QB.
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He can run though and running the football is what you have to do to win consistently....just ask the saints why they couldnt get past the first round last year.
Further proof that you're a fricking retard. You pass to get the lead, you run to maintain the lead. And you're using the Saints, who had half their secondary injured in addition to being forced to use a RB who joined the team three days prior to the game as your example?
Really?
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:05 pm to Lester Earl
Not sure what the argument is here, Tebow may suck but he clearly is Denver's best option. The Defense kept the games close when Orton was starting (minus GB), but unlike Tebow, Orton couldn't do shite on those final drives.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 12:06 pm to castorinho
And Tebow can't do shite for 55 minutes.
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