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Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:16 am to LSUbase13
#1 Florida State (13-0)
#2 Auburn (12-1)
#3 Michigan State (12-1)
#4 Stanford (11-2)
#5 South Carolina (10-2)
#6 Alabama (11-1)
#7 Ohio State (12-1)
#8 Baylor (11-1)
#9 Oklahoma (10-2)
#10 Oklahoma State (10-2)
Rationale:
1) Take each team with 10+ wins from a Big 5 conference.
2) Remove all wins against opponents with eight or fewer wins.
3) Calculate and record new records and opponents' records.
4) Sort teams according to record, then opponents' records. If there is still a tie, make a subjective call as to who should go where.
#2 Auburn (12-1)
#3 Michigan State (12-1)
#4 Stanford (11-2)
#5 South Carolina (10-2)
#6 Alabama (11-1)
#7 Ohio State (12-1)
#8 Baylor (11-1)
#9 Oklahoma (10-2)
#10 Oklahoma State (10-2)
Rationale:
1) Take each team with 10+ wins from a Big 5 conference.
2) Remove all wins against opponents with eight or fewer wins.
3) Calculate and record new records and opponents' records.
4) Sort teams according to record, then opponents' records. If there is still a tie, make a subjective call as to who should go where.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:20 am to lsutothetop
quote:
#1 Florida State (13-0)
#2 Auburn (12-1)
#3 Michigan State (12-1)
#4 Stanford (11-2)
#5 South Carolina (10-2)
#6 Alabama (11-1)
#7 Ohio State (12-1)
#8 Baylor (11-1)
#9 Oklahoma (10-2)
#10 Oklahoma State (10-2)
quote:= I made up a bunch of bullshite to find a way to rank Alabama so low
Rationale:
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:22 am to lsutothetop
1. FSU
2. Bama
3. Auburn
4. Michigan st
5. Stanford
6. Baylor
7. Ohio st
8. Missouri
9. South Carolina
10. Oklahoma
2. Bama
3. Auburn
4. Michigan st
5. Stanford
6. Baylor
7. Ohio st
8. Missouri
9. South Carolina
10. Oklahoma
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:24 am to RTR America
Stop trolling, dumbass. Your team went 1-1 against quality teams this year. Stanford went 4-2 and South Carolina went 3-2. Unless in Gumpland 0.500 > 0.666 and 0.500 > 0.600, your team's where it needs to be.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:25 am to LSUbase13
Be honest SC shouldn't have beaten Mizzou and neither hate or like the teams. They did but if they played again it would be much different
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:27 am to WicKed WayZ
If we're going based on what "should have happened," Alabama is 13-0 and #1, Oregon or Stanford is undefeated and facing them in the championship, and we might as well not even play the season because we already know how it "should" play out.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:27 am to lsutothetop
quote:
Stop trolling, dumbass. Your team went 1-1 against quality teams this year. Stanford went 4-2 and South Carolina went 3-2. Unless in Gumpland 0.500 > 0.666 and 0.500 > 0.600, your team's where it needs to be.
Okay man
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:28 am to RTR America
So you don't actually have anything to refute my position?
Like I said, stop trolling
Like I said, stop trolling
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:29 am to lsutothetop
quote:
So you don't actually have anything to refute my position?
No if you seriously believe Alabama only beat 1 quality opponent all year then there is just no sense in arguing with you.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:32 am to RTR America
Based on the criteria I used, they did. Quality opponent = 9+ wins from an AQ conference. If you think that criterion sucks, pick a better one.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:40 am to lsutothetop
quote:
Quality opponent = 9+ wins from an AQ conference. If you think that criterion sucks, pick a better one.
So playing in a shitty conference benefits teams more in your equation?
Any reason you chose 9 instead of 8 wins? Just wondering.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:46 am to lsutothetop
Fact - Vegas still has bama as a favorite vs all teams but fsu
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:46 am to RTR America
quote:
No if you seriously believe Alabama only beat 1 quality opponent all year then there is just no sense in arguing with you.
Give me another "QUALITY" team they beat........
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:49 am to RTR America
How would playing in a shitty conference benefit them more? That gives them fewer games to play that actually count. I wouldn't rank a team with zero quality games over a team with a quality win, even if that team were undefeated. (So if, for instance, Wisconsin had gone 6-6 this year, MSU had been ineligible for the postseason, and Ohio State had beaten Iowa, I would have ranked 13-0 Ohio State below 11-1 Alabama.)
As for 9 over 8, if the criterion were set at 8, then I'd have to include stuff like beating Minnesota, Iowa, Vanderbilt, and Houston as "quality wins." This did leave off Virginia Tech and Texas A&M, which hurt Alabama, but I'm more comfortable leaving them off than adding Iowa and Minnesota and Houston.
And if I decide that VT and TAMU are quality wins, but Minnesota and Iowa aren't, then I'm obviously using some criterion that isn't just record/wins. IMO there isn't a problem with that distinction, but if I can't spell it out objectively and apply whatever the logic behind that distinction is to every team, I don't think I can fairly include it.
As for 9 over 8, if the criterion were set at 8, then I'd have to include stuff like beating Minnesota, Iowa, Vanderbilt, and Houston as "quality wins." This did leave off Virginia Tech and Texas A&M, which hurt Alabama, but I'm more comfortable leaving them off than adding Iowa and Minnesota and Houston.
And if I decide that VT and TAMU are quality wins, but Minnesota and Iowa aren't, then I'm obviously using some criterion that isn't just record/wins. IMO there isn't a problem with that distinction, but if I can't spell it out objectively and apply whatever the logic behind that distinction is to every team, I don't think I can fairly include it.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:53 am to theBeard
Sports betting bookkeepers aren't really a useful standard for deciding who's a better team. They set their lines to get people to bet, which means they're trying to gauge what the popular opinion is regarding how good a team's chances of beating another team are. They're not trying to predict the outcome of the game, they're trying to predict what other people think a good outcome for the game is, so people bet and they make money.
With that said, I can easily see Alabama as a favorite against everyone but Florida State. Alabama is very talented and well-coached, and they've had a fantastic year. But I'm ranking according to what these teams earned on the field, not what I think they might be able to do in hypothetical matchups. Different philosophy for ranking them I guess, but I see that as a power rankings approach and not a top-X approach. Top-X is supposed to be meritocratic IMO.
With that said, I can easily see Alabama as a favorite against everyone but Florida State. Alabama is very talented and well-coached, and they've had a fantastic year. But I'm ranking according to what these teams earned on the field, not what I think they might be able to do in hypothetical matchups. Different philosophy for ranking them I guess, but I see that as a power rankings approach and not a top-X approach. Top-X is supposed to be meritocratic IMO.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:37 am to lsutothetop
Vegas power ranking polls are much more realistic then the junk in the other polls
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:48 am to theBeard
Sure, but the junk in the other polls isn't exactly setting a high standard.
Besides, like I said, I'm not making a power rankings list.
Besides, like I said, I'm not making a power rankings list.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 5:59 am to lsutothetop
Based on the "eye test" I'll say
1. FSU
2. Alabama
3. Stanford
4. Auburn
5. Baylor
6. Michigan St.
7. Oklahoma St.
8. Ohio St.
9. South Carolina
10. Missouri
1. FSU
2. Alabama
3. Stanford
4. Auburn
5. Baylor
6. Michigan St.
7. Oklahoma St.
8. Ohio St.
9. South Carolina
10. Missouri
Posted on 12/8/13 at 6:10 am to LSUbase13
1. Bama
2. FSU
3. Aub
4. Stanford
5. South Carolina
6. Baylor
7. Mizzou
8. Michigan State
9. Oregon
10. LSU
2. FSU
3. Aub
4. Stanford
5. South Carolina
6. Baylor
7. Mizzou
8. Michigan State
9. Oregon
10. LSU
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