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Do you like the “new” NCAAT?
Posted by TexasTiger08
on 3/21/23 at 1:54 pm
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1By new, I mean the more frequent upsets. We’ve had 15 over 2 three straight years, and all three went to the Sweet 16 at the least. 12 over 5 used to be the big thing, but one and done and the portal have accelerated the chaos.
There seems to be a different line of thinking between this and college football. In CFB, most fans seem to want the blue bloods, and the 2 best teams to meet in the title.
In CBB, you rarely have the two best teams meet for the title. I know several have posted on here about liking the upsets, but still wanting the big names and higher seeds in the Final Four. I love the madness, but I’m starting to lean that way as well.
There seems to be a different line of thinking between this and college football. In CFB, most fans seem to want the blue bloods, and the 2 best teams to meet in the title.
In CBB, you rarely have the two best teams meet for the title. I know several have posted on here about liking the upsets, but still wanting the big names and higher seeds in the Final Four. I love the madness, but I’m starting to lean that way as well.
re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by SlowFlowPro 
on 3/21/23 at 1:56 pm to TexasTiger08
on 3/21/23 at 1:56 pm to TexasTiger08A bad tournament is becoming more devalued with every upset.
re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by TulaneFan 
on 3/21/23 at 1:58 pm to TexasTiger08
on 3/21/23 at 1:58 pm to TexasTiger08Yes. The tournament format and everything about it is perfect
This is why I’m 100% confident the NCAA with frick with it and screw it up
This is why I’m 100% confident the NCAA with frick with it and screw it up
re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by Cliff Booth 
on 3/21/23 at 1:59 pm to TexasTiger08
on 3/21/23 at 1:59 pm to TexasTiger08It's great entertainment and a poor way to select a champion, but it's always been that way.
Not really unique though. Most sports are heading that direction with expanded playoffs. Gotta make that money.
I think the difference is there are way less people passionate about their school's basketball team and the tournament is the only reason they give a shite to begin with. They don't care about devaluing the regular season because they don't care about it at all.
Not really unique though. Most sports are heading that direction with expanded playoffs. Gotta make that money.
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There seems to be a different line of thinking between this and college football. In CFB, most fans seem to want the blue bloods, and the 2 best teams to meet in the title.
I think the difference is there are way less people passionate about their school's basketball team and the tournament is the only reason they give a shite to begin with. They don't care about devaluing the regular season because they don't care about it at all.
This post was edited on 3/21 at 2:03 pm
re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by QJenk on 3/21/23 at 2:10 pm to TexasTiger08
on 3/21/23 at 2:10 pm to TexasTiger08I love the upsets, and I could give a crap about seeing the blue bloods win.
re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by red sox fan 13 
on 3/21/23 at 2:20 pm to TexasTiger08
on 3/21/23 at 2:20 pm to TexasTiger08I'd much rather see the little guys win than see the same handful of teams in it over and over again
re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by grizzlylongcut on 3/21/23 at 2:42 pm to TexasTiger08
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Do you like the “new” NCAAT?
I just find it hard to get excited about college basketball at all. When they started the whole one and done stuff it ruined college basketball. There's no continuity in the teams, you can't get to really know or hate any of the teams like you could before they changed that rule. How lame would it have been if you'd have only gotten one year of Laetner's Duke teams or the UNLV teams or any of the other various great college teams before?
re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by Pettifogger 
on 3/21/23 at 2:51 pm to TexasTiger08
on 3/21/23 at 2:51 pm to TexasTiger08I think it's a fair topic.
I don't agree with the purists who scream about how it's not a meritorious way to crown a champ. It's very rare that the team that wins the NCAAT doesn't have a pretty strong claim to #1. We don't spend much time in the offseason bemoaning how some undeserving 6 seed brought home the title. I get the argument against it, but it just rarely provides unjust results.
But certainly we're getting upticks in the gravity of upsets and at some point there is going to be a risk that the chaos seems intentionally set up or it just devalues the tournament. It's always had a good mix of scarcity with enough regularity (5-12 for example) to make it exciting. But too much of a good thing and all that.
I don't agree with the purists who scream about how it's not a meritorious way to crown a champ. It's very rare that the team that wins the NCAAT doesn't have a pretty strong claim to #1. We don't spend much time in the offseason bemoaning how some undeserving 6 seed brought home the title. I get the argument against it, but it just rarely provides unjust results.
But certainly we're getting upticks in the gravity of upsets and at some point there is going to be a risk that the chaos seems intentionally set up or it just devalues the tournament. It's always had a good mix of scarcity with enough regularity (5-12 for example) to make it exciting. But too much of a good thing and all that.
re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by Alt26 on 3/21/23 at 2:59 pm to TexasTiger08
on 3/21/23 at 2:59 pm to TexasTiger08quote:
In CBB, you rarely have the two best teams meet for the title. I know several have posted on here about liking the upsets, but still wanting the big names and higher seeds in the Final Four. I love the madness, but I’m starting to lean that way as well
2022 Final Four (seed):
1,2,2,8 (North Carolina)
2021 Final Four (seed):
1,1,2,11 (UCLA)
2019 Final Four (seed):
1,3,2,5
2018 Final Four (seed):
1,3, 1, 11
2017 Final Four (seed):
1,1,3,7
1985 Final Four (seed):
1,1,2,8
1986 Final Four (seed):
1,1,2,11
1987 Final Four (seed):
1,1,2,6
1988 Final Four (seed):
1,1,2,6
1989 Final Four (seed):
1,2,3,3
1990 Final Four (seed):
1,3,4,4
You're still getting the big names and high seeds in the Final Four. In fact, the last two "underdogs" to crash the Final Four are two of the most prestigious programs in the history of the sport...UNC and UCLA. So even when you get upsets you are still getting the "big names" at the end. And outside of last year and 2014, you haven't had a championship game with one of the two teams higher than a 5 seed since 1992 when (1) Duke played (6) Michigan. Before then it was not terribly uncommon to see a "high" seed in the championship game:
1988 - Kansas (6)
1985 - Villanova (8)
1983 - NC State (6)
1980 - UCLA (8)
While there have been an unusual streak of 15 over 2 upsets recently, you are still getting mostly the best teams in the Final Four and championship games. You are perceiving the tournament through the lens of recently bias
EDT: I think what you are seeing is the line between major programs and mid-major programs becoming thinner.
This post was edited on 3/21 at 3:05 pm
re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by Oilfieldbiology on 3/21/23 at 3:06 pm to Cliff Booth
on 3/21/23 at 3:06 pm to Cliff Boothquote:
They don't care about devaluing the regular season because they don't care about it at all.
That’s because any half way decent P5 school gets in. You want to make people care about college basketball again? Make the regular season matter way more than simply a 3 month long seeding resume exercise. What does it matter if Gonzaga lost to Alabama this year? It literally meant nothing in the scheme of the post season. No penalty and no real bump for Bama.
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re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by ArmyHogs 
on 3/21/23 at 3:21 pm to TexasTiger08
on 3/21/23 at 3:21 pm to TexasTiger08quote:
In CFB, most fans seem to want the blue bloods, and the 2 best teams to meet in the title.
The hell we do! I hope the blue bloods never make it. Screw em.
re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by LSUBoo on 3/21/23 at 3:28 pm to TexasTiger08
on 3/21/23 at 3:28 pm to TexasTiger08It's a terrible way to determine a champion and also fantastic entertainment.
College football is better, but it's even being diluted in two years. MLB has added teams to the playoff, as has the NFL. NBA and NHL have been diluted as long as I can remember.
College football is better, but it's even being diluted in two years. MLB has added teams to the playoff, as has the NFL. NBA and NHL have been diluted as long as I can remember.
re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by Xenophon 
on 3/21/23 at 3:39 pm to Cliff Booth
on 3/21/23 at 3:39 pm to Cliff BoothIt is objectively a great way to determine a champion. It is a poor way to find out who the best team is.
re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by BobABooey on 3/21/23 at 3:54 pm to TexasTiger08
on 3/21/23 at 3:54 pm to TexasTiger08quote:
Do you like the “new” NCAAT?
I’ll tell you when it’s over and I see where my bracket finished.
re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by GreatLakesTiger24 
on 3/21/23 at 4:09 pm to TexasTiger08
on 3/21/23 at 4:09 pm to TexasTiger08The tournament is the same
The top seeded teams are just a lot worse than they used to be
The top seeded teams are just a lot worse than they used to be
re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by Chicken on 3/21/23 at 4:09 pm to TexasTiger08
on 3/21/23 at 4:09 pm to TexasTiger08quote:I think fans just want competitive games in the college football playoffs...it is much easier for a small school to field a competitive basketball teams than it is for them to field a competitive football team...
There seems to be a different line of thinking between this and college football. In CFB, most fans seem to want the blue bloods, and the 2 best teams to meet in the title.
re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by Open Your Eyes on 3/21/23 at 4:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
A bad tournament is becoming more devalued with every upset
There’s probably not going to be a better argument in favor of the tournament than this statement from this person.
re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by TexasTiger08 on 3/21/23 at 4:15 pm to LSUBoo
on 3/21/23 at 4:15 pm to LSUBooquote:
NBA and NHL have been diluted as long as I can remember.
I agree, but the NBA rarely sees the 8-seed do major damage.
Off the top of my head, here are the 8-seeds to win a series:
2012 Philly over Chicago
2011 Memphis over SA
2007 Golden State over Dallas
1994 Denver over Seattle
I don’t think any went past round 2
re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield 
on 3/21/23 at 4:28 pm to TexasTiger08
on 3/21/23 at 4:28 pm to TexasTiger08quote:
I agree, but the NBA rarely sees the 8-seed do major damage.
Because they play a series, not single elimination. I love upsets, as long as it isn't my team getting upset.
re: Do you like the “new” NCAAT?Posted by KamaCausey_LSU on 3/21/23 at 4:28 pm to TexasTiger08
quote:
By new, I mean the more frequent upsets. We’ve had 15 over 2 three straight years, and all three went to the Sweet 16 at the least. 12 over 5 used to be the big thing, but one and done and the portal have accelerated the chaos.
Will be back to a normal amount of upsets in a year or two once COVID eligibility runs out.
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