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Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:36 am to Ryan3232
BB also didn't want to trade him to the Browns because its no man's land.
Bill's motto has been:
1. You buy into the system, we take care of you if we don't intend on keeping you (i.e. Chandler to a contending Arizona)
2. If you don't buy into the system, we won't take care of you (i.e. Collins to Cleveland)
Jimmy G fell into #1, BB took care of him. If Browns were willing to pay that arse ton of money for Andy Dalton's backup, you can imagine how much they offered for Tom Brady's backup and BB's QB heir
Bill's motto has been:
1. You buy into the system, we take care of you if we don't intend on keeping you (i.e. Chandler to a contending Arizona)
2. If you don't buy into the system, we won't take care of you (i.e. Collins to Cleveland)
Jimmy G fell into #1, BB took care of him. If Browns were willing to pay that arse ton of money for Andy Dalton's backup, you can imagine how much they offered for Tom Brady's backup and BB's QB heir
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 11:38 am
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:38 am to htran90
Very similar to the Cassel trade. People thought bill was nuts for only getting a 2nd rounder. I imagine the takes were just as hot as they are now 
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:40 am to htran90
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Jimmy G fell into #1, BB took care of him. If Browns were willing to pay that arse ton of money for Andy Dalton's backup, you can imagine how much they offered for Tom Brady's backup and BB's QB heir
McCarron had pretty similar value due to having an extra year on his contract. Biggest drag on Jimmy’s value was that you were going to have to make a very quick decision on whether you want him long term or not
Pats would’ve had much more leverage if Jimmy had an extra year on his contract
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:45 am to wildtigercat93
quote:Yeah, this is exactly like that trade
Very similar to the Cassel trade. People thought bill was nuts for only getting a 2nd rounder. I imagine the takes were just as hot as they are now
Jimmy isn't even that good.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:57 am to wildtigercat93
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McCarron had pretty similar value due to having an extra year on his contract. Biggest drag on Jimmy’s value was that you were going to have to make a very quick decision on whether you want him long term or not
Disagree that McCarron has as much value as Jimmy G, even with an additional year available. Yes, you'd have to make a quick decision with Jimmy G, but most of the bad teams would have opted to take the franchise tag route and buy them another year to figure it out so it wasn't as urgent. Most of those bad teams had the cap space anyway.
No real-game situation has McCarron looked close to what Garoppolo has either. With how shocked everyone as about the McCarron deal, I'd assume nobody other than the Browns thought he was worth even close to that much.
People flipped out and thought it was nuts when it was a 2nd and 3rd for McCarron, people thought it was a steal for Jimmy G for a 2nd.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:03 pm to wildtigercat93
Brady is a system QB. He would be average on another team.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:04 pm to htran90
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No real-game situation has McCarron looked close to what Garoppolo has either. With how shocked everyone as about the McCarron deal, I'd assume nobody other than the Browns thought he was worth even close to that much.
I believe he had a pretty great game in his first start
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People flipped out and thought it was nuts when it was a 2nd and 3rd for McCarron, people thought it was a steal for Jimmy G for a 2nd.
This is where people confuse fan perception and actual value
Everyone needs to accept that most GMs are risk adverse and want to do whatever they can to keep their jobs the longest.
You lose the chance to “tag and see” on Jimmy the second you trade the mortgage to get him. You think the owners and fans are going to put up with you selling your future first rounders for a guy you want to wait and see on with an extremely expensive Franchise tag? Not many guys willing to do that. If he doesn’t pan out it cost you a first round and maybe more and a lot of cap space and you still may be unsure after that season whether he’s the guy
Everyone wants to think it now, but people were not beating down the Pats door to give up first round picks for Jimmy
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:05 pm to j bro12
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Brady is a system QB. He would be average on another team.
Tell me what system he plays in. Ty
Posted on 2/9/18 at 1:04 pm to wildtigercat93
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Tell me what system he plays in. Ty
On a team with the best coach in NFL history who understands his QB needs the best pass blocking offensive line in history and thrives off dump off passes underneath.
Brady has had 4-6 seconds to throw almost every pass of his career. That's insane.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 3:58 pm to Strannix
Exactly. And Kraft being a smart businessman he should have known better. He should took the 49ers business model when they knew when it was time to move on from Montana. Or the Packers moving on from Favre. And look how well that worked out.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 4:05 pm to htran90
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Disagree that McCarron has as much value as Jimmy G
Putting McCarron in the SAME SENTENCE as Jimmy G is an insult to Jimmy G and relatively astute football observers everywhere, that is all
Posted on 2/9/18 at 5:19 pm to theunknownknight
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On a team with the best coach in NFL history
So it’s defensive mastermind Bills offensive system? Weird.
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who understands his QB needs the best pass blocking offensive line in history an
Brady has had some mediocre lines throughout his career and hasn’t had a true and consistently elite Oline player since they traded Logan Mankins.
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thrives off dump off passes underneath.
He was averaging 20 yards a completion through in the fricking Super Bowl
that’s insane This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 5:25 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:Correct.
Everyone wants to think it now, but people were not beating down the Pats door to give up first round picks for Jimmy
It's not like NE missed out on 2 first round picks in exchange for the guy.
What's horrific is NE got rid of him in the first place
Posted on 2/9/18 at 5:27 pm to wildtigercat93
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So it’s defensive mastermind Bills offensive system? Weird.
Weis, McDaniels and O'Brien and thing is they've diversified their system a lot like when they acquired Welker and Randy Moss in 2007 that offense was almost like a run and shoot, air raid team it was INSANELY prolific OMFG
Posted on 2/9/18 at 5:27 pm to wildtigercat93
The 49ers model wouldn't work because of the media making athletes bigger than the team. It's like Kobe let him have his due for what he's meant to us
Posted on 2/9/18 at 5:30 pm to wildtigercat93
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Brady has had some mediocre lines throughout his career
You sound hot and bothered by the truth
JIMMY GOAT
Posted on 2/9/18 at 5:35 pm to theunknownknight
Ok
Posted on 2/9/18 at 5:36 pm to ReauxlTide222
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What's horrific is NE got rid of him in the first place
Pretty much impossible for them to have kept him.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 5:43 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:A system that is so refined that American professional sports has never seen every aspect of an organization so buttoned up.
Tell me what system he plays in. Ty
Tom Brady plays in the single most talent friendly environment that has ever existed in the NFL. Nobody in the history of the NFL has ever been placed in a better situation to succeed.
Whether that's having a defense that gives you MULTIPLE years of damn near leading the league in scoring defense.
Or a coach who is so insanely good at getting a team prepared and/or making adjustments that it's sorta not even fathomable.
The guy managed to throw for over 500 yards without looking that impressive. That's next level. He has the single easiest QB job in the NFL.
Before you freak out, I think he's amazing. Great QB in a great environment.
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