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Posted on 1/2/18 at 10:19 am to shel311
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If you have a format of the top 8 teams and are admittingly allowing a fringe top 20 team into your playoff, what are you solving?
My point is that in a lot of those cases, that fringe top 20 team is better than their ranking and being underrated by the playoff committee because they aren't in a P5 conference.
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You're creating a process that then breaks other things even worse than the current process so what's the point?
Worse than having ONE undefeated team in the country, and that team not even getting close to being picked for a playoff?
Posted on 1/2/18 at 10:22 am to Tiger Prawn
quote:So you're going to sometimes take a 2 loss team who has beaten nobody(or maybe 1 good team) and loss to meh teams over a 2 loss team with, say 4 good wins and 2 legit losses just cause they're G5 and you think that won't cause major issues/controversy?
My point is that in a lot of those cases, that fringe top 20 team is better than their ranking and being underrated by the playoff committee because they aren't in a P5 conference.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 10:31 am to shel311
It won't cause controversy if the playoff selection format is 6 automatic bids to conference champs and 2 wild cards....besides the arguing over what 2 teams are most deserving for the wild card spots.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 10:33 am to Tiger Prawn
quote:You have a legit blind spot here.
It won't cause controversy
When a top 8 or so team is left out for a team no one gave a shite about all season for good reason, there will be controversy.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 10:36 am to Volvagia
If I'm creating a full up playoff format with automatic bids like you all want, the first thing I'm doing is reorganizing all of the conferences to equalize schedules as much as possible.
Maybe Michigan moves to the MAC. Maybe LSU is a Sun Belt stud. Maybe Southern Cal is a MWC program.
Otherwise, this is all pointless. No one's going to tell me that playing a 12-game schedule in which your toughest opponent is Memphis is better than going 11-1 in any of the current Power 5 conferences.
Maybe Michigan moves to the MAC. Maybe LSU is a Sun Belt stud. Maybe Southern Cal is a MWC program.
Otherwise, this is all pointless. No one's going to tell me that playing a 12-game schedule in which your toughest opponent is Memphis is better than going 11-1 in any of the current Power 5 conferences.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 10:37 am to Tiger Prawn
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It won't cause controversy
Have we achieved world peace in this scenario too?
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 10:38 am
Posted on 1/2/18 at 10:54 am to shel311
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When a top 8 or so team is left out for a team no one gave a shite about all season for good reason, there will be controversy.
If they weren't top 4, then they wouldn't have gotten in under the current format either. My suggestion just makes sure that you don't have deserving teams like UCF get left out without even any consideration because they play in a weaker conference. shite, in 09 there was 5 teams that went into their bowl games undefeated.
Guess we have to agree to disagree.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 10:56 am to Tiger Prawn
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If they weren't top 4, then they wouldn't have gotten in under the current format either.
The current system is 4 teams. Can I say that since Bama and Ohio St weren't top 2(the old system) they wouldn't have gotten in under the old system, therefore there is no controversy this season between the 2?
quote:You're correct but it also ensures that teams that are nowhere near deserving will also get in some seasons over teams that actually are deserving, so I ask again, what would that solve?
My suggestion just makes sure that you don't have deserving teams like UCF get left out without even any consideration because they play in a weaker conference.
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Guess we have to agree to disagree.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 10:59 am to shel311
Posted on 1/2/18 at 11:13 am to Tiger Prawn
5 P5 conference champions
2 wildcards
Alabama
Alabama is automatically in the playoffs. They don't play a game all season. When the playoff ends one year, they just immediately start prepping for the playoff the next year.
That way when people say Alabama hasn't played anybody, they literally haven't played anybody.
2 wildcards
Alabama
Alabama is automatically in the playoffs. They don't play a game all season. When the playoff ends one year, they just immediately start prepping for the playoff the next year.
That way when people say Alabama hasn't played anybody, they literally haven't played anybody.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 11:30 am to shel311
quote:Based on the "eye" test. All of those G5 teams should have been ranked much higher.
If you have a format of the top 8 teams and are admittingly allowing a fringe top 20 team into your playoff
Posted on 1/2/18 at 11:38 am to rocket31
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we would have a much better idea which conferences were worthy of the playoffs if they actually played more games against one another in the regular season
Exactly. People talk about the problem with expansion is that it makes the regular season pointless (especially if you have to take away a game). The other side says expansion is fairer because we don't know which conference is best.
Well...stop catering to the cupcakes. Is it possible to do like the NFL does in cross-conference play (NFC West plays AFC East, for example)? So, the SEC in OOC play goes up against the B1G? Is that possible? Idk. But, even if you can't do that, you'd have a better idea of which conference is tougher and which teams perform better.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 11:43 am to SabiDojo
Step one: We accept that it isn't Alabama's responsibility to fund Mercer's program.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 11:49 am to DisplacedBuckeye
I've also always liked the idea of dynamic conferences.
Next year, UCF moves to the SEC and Tennessee to the AAC.
Next year, UCF moves to the SEC and Tennessee to the AAC.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 11:50 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Relegation? Yeah, I do enjoy that in soccer.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 11:53 am to SabiDojo
Yep. I don't care if you're Ohio State or Bama. You're bad enough to be dead last in your conference? Better win the AAC or the MAC next year.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 11:54 am to Tiger Prawn
quote:I like this with homefield advantage too. Rewards your conference champions. Rewards at large bids for teams just missing out but pass the “eye test.” Rewards a small team to give them something to play for and not let their efforts be in vain. And rewards the higher ranked teams with homefield advantage
8 teams
Power 5 conference champs get automatic bid
Top ranked G5 conference champ gets in
2 wild cards
Preferably having first 2 rounds played on campus of higher seeded team with championship game only at neutral site. Otherwise NY6 bowls could still be used
Posted on 1/2/18 at 11:55 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Yep. I don't care if you're Ohio State or Bama. You're bad enough to be dead last in your conference? Better win the AAC or the MAC next year.
That would be pretty interesting.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 11:58 am to LSUGent
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1) Keep bowl system for anyone not in the top 8 2) Remove conference championships from all conferences 3)1st rd of of playoffs occurs when conference championships used to take place 4)BCS system determines rankings
I think this makes the most sense. What I would change is I would expand it to 16 while making the season only 11 games. This way, the most anyone is playing is 15 games, which is the exact same amount of games that both Bama and Georgia will play. I would expand the power 5 conferences to 16 teams, play a round-robin type of schedule in each. Let the top 8 play the first playoff game at home. Allow the remaining 7 games to be played at venues like the Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, etc. then let a city bid on the championship game like they do in the NFL for the Super Bowl. You could even keep the crappy bowl system for all the other teams.
For the tournament:
1. Last regular season game ends Thanksgiving weekend.
2. So that people don't freak out, allow 3 weeks between the last regular season game and the beginning of the tournament, this would give the "student-athletes time to take their finals.
3. First round games: 12/16/2017
4. Quarter-Finals: 12/23/2017
5. Have the Semi-Final games be played on New Years Day
6. Final game 1/8/2017.
The reason I say 16 is that you would allow teams like UCF and even other teams like them to definitely get into this playoff. If you only go to top 8, I almost guaranty those teams would be left out. UCF was only ranked 12 and wouldn't have gotten in for an 8 team playoff and they deserved to get in. This would also give the top 8 a home playoff game which would still give an advantage to the better teams in the first round. It would also create such an amazing environment for those first round games! Could you imagine how crazy of an environment it would be for that first playoff game? Also, it would still reward the better teams with an easier path to the quarterfinals.
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