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Could Nebraska be the "surprise" program the Pac 12 is saying has reached out?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:39 pm
Scenario: Nebraska, Texas Tech, Kansas, and Ok St join the Pac 12.
In my opinion, Nebraska is the only brand name program in America not locked into a lengthy grant of rights (like Clemson and FSU) that is currently not happy with their conference. Sure the B10 has stability and money, but Nebraska feels like total outcasts there. They play none of their traditional rivals and the Big Ten isolates them from any fertile recruiting areas.
Above all else, Nebraska has a mentality somewhat like Texas. They are used to being a big fish in a small pond like they were in the old Big 8 and Big 12. They crave the feeling of being needed as an influential power player in their conference. The Big Ten has been a huge let down for them in that area. They get zero respect because the B10 doesn't need them, and all the power is much further east centered around OSU, Michigan, and PSU. They are now the only non-AAU school in the B10, further diluting their influence. Their attempt to strong arm the B10 into letting them play non-conference games was humiliating for them as a sign of how little respect they have in the B10.
The Pac 12 (if KU, OkSt, and TTU also joined) would give Nebraska a recruiting presence in Texas and California, a return of Big 8 rivals like Colorado, and more importantly, they would return to a position of influence as one of only 2 blue blood programs in the conference and the dominant name brand in the Pac 12 East.
Summary: Nebraska gets influence/power, rivalries, and CA/TX recruiting. The Pac 12 lands a football and basketball blueblood, gains Texas recruiting and central time zone viewers, and becomes the unquestioned dominant conference in the western half of the country with a footprint right up against the Big Ten and SEC.
In my opinion, Nebraska is the only brand name program in America not locked into a lengthy grant of rights (like Clemson and FSU) that is currently not happy with their conference. Sure the B10 has stability and money, but Nebraska feels like total outcasts there. They play none of their traditional rivals and the Big Ten isolates them from any fertile recruiting areas.
Above all else, Nebraska has a mentality somewhat like Texas. They are used to being a big fish in a small pond like they were in the old Big 8 and Big 12. They crave the feeling of being needed as an influential power player in their conference. The Big Ten has been a huge let down for them in that area. They get zero respect because the B10 doesn't need them, and all the power is much further east centered around OSU, Michigan, and PSU. They are now the only non-AAU school in the B10, further diluting their influence. Their attempt to strong arm the B10 into letting them play non-conference games was humiliating for them as a sign of how little respect they have in the B10.
The Pac 12 (if KU, OkSt, and TTU also joined) would give Nebraska a recruiting presence in Texas and California, a return of Big 8 rivals like Colorado, and more importantly, they would return to a position of influence as one of only 2 blue blood programs in the conference and the dominant name brand in the Pac 12 East.
Summary: Nebraska gets influence/power, rivalries, and CA/TX recruiting. The Pac 12 lands a football and basketball blueblood, gains Texas recruiting and central time zone viewers, and becomes the unquestioned dominant conference in the western half of the country with a footprint right up against the Big Ten and SEC.
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 12:42 pm
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Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:42 pm to MillerLiteTime
LSU
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:45 pm to MillerLiteTime
As a big ten fan we can only hope
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:48 pm to MillerLiteTime
They'll fit right in with a dying conference
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:51 pm to MillerLiteTime
Probably. I'm sure they didn't like the way they were told to STFU and sit down during the B1G covid blunders. They have been a total dud in the B1G anyway and would come in with a lot more leverage combined with the old B12 teams.
It may be profitable but the B1G is a fading conference. All they really have is OSU. Mich and Penn St. have been pretenders for decades and Wisc/Iowa just benefit from being in a weak division. Their expansions have been a joke compared to the other conferences. Even the PAC has done a better job. Rutgers and Maryland don't belong in the P5.
If the PAC adds those teams it becomes a better conference than the B1G. USC is just as much of a blueblood as OSU they just need a legit coach and Oregon is better than all the B1G teams not named OSU.
It may be profitable but the B1G is a fading conference. All they really have is OSU. Mich and Penn St. have been pretenders for decades and Wisc/Iowa just benefit from being in a weak division. Their expansions have been a joke compared to the other conferences. Even the PAC has done a better job. Rutgers and Maryland don't belong in the P5.
If the PAC adds those teams it becomes a better conference than the B1G. USC is just as much of a blueblood as OSU they just need a legit coach and Oregon is better than all the B1G teams not named OSU.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:54 pm to MillerLiteTime
Sorry, Nebraska is not a “get” anymore than Minnesota and Iowa are
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:55 pm to MillerLiteTime
does anyone actually want nebraska?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:59 pm to saintsfan22
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with a dying conference
I agree the Pac 12 is dying if they don't make a move east. They are totally isolated and therefore out of mind from the rest of the country. They only have one state to provide nearly all of their recruits. They will be even more isolated if they don't expand when the Big 12 collapses or loses power conference status, with a giant chunk of land and time zones between them and any other power conference teams. The Pac 12 might take a short term financial hit by adding more schools, but long term it is their only path to remain relevant.
The mountain west and Texas are some of the fastest growing parts of the nation. The Pac 12 is in a good position long term if they expand their recruiting territory into Texas and get the central time zone to care about the west coast teams.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:03 pm to MillerLiteTime
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agree the Pac 12 is dying if they don't make a move east. They are totally isolated and therefore out of mind from the rest of the country. They only have one state to provide nearly all of their recruits. They will be even more isolated if they don't expand when the Big 12 collapses or loses power conference status, with a giant chunk of land and time zones between them and any other power conference teams. The Pac 12 might take a short term financial hit by adding more schools, but long term it is their only path to remain relevant.
??????
The PAC 12 has half of our landmass to itself and no P5 competition. Who’s gonna poach any team other than Utah or Colorado?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:11 pm to MillerLiteTime
Outside of Iowa, Nebraska playing the likes of Michigan State, Ohio State, Illinois, Indiana, etc just doesn’t feel right.
Outside of Colorado, Nebraska playing the likes of Stanford, UCLA, Cal, Washington State, USC, Oregon State really doesn’t feel right.
Outside of Colorado, Nebraska playing the likes of Stanford, UCLA, Cal, Washington State, USC, Oregon State really doesn’t feel right.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:16 pm to chalmetteowl
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??????
The PAC 12 has half of our landmass to itself and no P5 competition. Who’s gonna poach any team other than Utah or Colorado?
The Pac 12's problem isn't fighting off other conferences from stealing its teams. The Pac 12's problem is being a stagnant, isolated conference that the rest of the country doesn't care about, and therefore, even west coast fans are starting to lose interest and view college sports as second tier. They need a jolt of passion from fans that view college sports as #1, like a Nebraska, TTU, or Ok St fan, or a Kansas basketball fan.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:18 pm to chalmetteowl
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Sorry, Nebraska is not a “get” anymore than Minnesota and Iowa are
Speak for yourself. Getting CU/NU back on rivalry weekend would kick arse.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:20 pm to GentleJackJones
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Outside of Iowa, Nebraska playing the likes of Michigan State, Ohio State, Illinois, Indiana, etc just doesn’t feel right.
Outside of Colorado, Nebraska playing the likes of Stanford, UCLA, Cal, Washington State, USC, Oregon State really doesn’t feel right.
I get it. But in this scenario, Kansas, Ok St, and TTU are coming with Nebraska and forming an East division of Nebraska, Colorado, Kansas, Ok St, Texas Tech, Utah, Arizona, and AZ St. That feels fairly natural to me with Nebraska still playing a couple cross division California teams a year to open up CA recruiting for them.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:20 pm to MillerLiteTime
quote:????? They are second tier
view college sports as second tier.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:23 pm to MillerLiteTime
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The Pac 12 is in a good position long term if they expand their recruiting territory into Texas and get the central time zone to care about the west coast teams.
You won't do that by adding any of those schools. Nebraska hasn't been a draw outside of Nebraska in 15 years. Okie St. is the runt school instate. Texas Tech is like 5th in Texas. Kansas football isn't even a draw in Lawrence, KS.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:24 pm to chalmetteowl
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Sorry, Nebraska is not a “get” anymore than Minnesota and Iowa are
They are in the midst of their worst period, but even now they bring a large, rabid, fan base and national interest.....something the Pac 12 desperately needs with practically all of its teams besides Oregon and Utah struggling to fill stadiums for home games.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:28 pm to chalmetteowl
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????? They are second tier
College sports are not second tier if you are talking to a Texas Tech, Nebraska, or Ok St football fan, or a Kansas basketball fan. The Pac 12 badly needs that kind of passion injected into their stagnant conference to rejuvenate interest nationally and in the west coast.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:31 pm to MillerLiteTime
You missed the part about recruiting in Nebraska.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:31 pm to MillerLiteTime
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they would return to a position of influence as one of only 2 blue blood programs
This a reach… Nebraska lost blue blood status a decade ago
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:36 pm to MillerLiteTime
quote:the PAC 12 doesn’t need more teams, they need better teams
College sports are not second tier if you are talking to a Texas Tech, Nebraska, or Ok St football fan, or a Kansas basketball fan. The Pac 12 badly needs that kind of passion injected into their stagnant conference to rejuvenate interest nationally and in the west coast.
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