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Commission on CBB shares its opinion
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:53 am
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:53 am
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Which isn’t the NCAA business. But them possibly locking a scholarship for 3 years or making Freshman ineligible is interesting
No you declare you forfeit any rights. Same as NFL. MLB you don’t declare you’re just eligible
Dumb but whatever, see above
No issue with this one
Getting closer to the Euro model it seems. Like this proposal
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Ending one-and-done
Which isn’t the NCAA business. But them possibly locking a scholarship for 3 years or making Freshman ineligible is interesting
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commission also recommends college players should be able to return to school if they go undrafted
No you declare you forfeit any rights. Same as NFL. MLB you don’t declare you’re just eligible
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Another change to the current process suggested by the commission would be enabling high school and college players to sign with certified agents before deciding on whether to enter the NBA draft
Dumb but whatever, see above
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Most noticeably, the commission recommends stiffer penalties for coaches that knowingly break rules -- including potential lifetime bans
No issue with this one
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The commission also called for the NCAA to work closer with USA Basketball, the NBA and the NBPA to start a new youth basketball program
Getting closer to the Euro model it seems. Like this proposal
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The commission did not make any recommendations in the area of paying collegiate athletes or enabling them to earn money off their names or likenesses. Rice did address the issue, but acquiesced to the courts for now
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 10:56 am
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:04 am to sms151t
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But them possibly locking a scholarship for 3 years or making Freshman ineligible is interesting
That sounds incredibly dumb to me.
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No you declare you forfeit any rights. Same as NFL. MLB you don’t declare you’re just eligible
Again, I strongly disagree. If you don't get drafted, you should be able to return.
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No issue with this one
I think they would have to make that rule for every sport.
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The commission did not make any recommendations in the area of paying collegiate athletes or enabling them to earn money off their names or likenesses
Then frick the commission. That should be a no brainer.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:07 am to sms151t
Nvm, misread your post
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 11:09 am
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:08 am to sms151t
I think players should be given a 60 day window to be with agents, speak with accountants, workout for teams or with NBA scouts present - basically see where their stock is and get an idea if the pro life is for them. Make them decide to stay or declare at the end of that period.
They need to understand how income breaks down, fees, what it costs to be a pro athlete not just what it pays, what sort of risks are out there, and so on. They shouldn't get paid other than per diem, but agents and others should be able to cover expenses to let them travel, sit down and talk, and so forth.
This should be done for all sports.
NCAA and pro sports just need to look at how to best schedule the recruiting seasons / signing periods and the drafts, in order to make this work.
I can think of no other area for college students where they face punitive action for trying to get an idea of what professional life will be like.
They need to understand how income breaks down, fees, what it costs to be a pro athlete not just what it pays, what sort of risks are out there, and so on. They shouldn't get paid other than per diem, but agents and others should be able to cover expenses to let them travel, sit down and talk, and so forth.
This should be done for all sports.
NCAA and pro sports just need to look at how to best schedule the recruiting seasons / signing periods and the drafts, in order to make this work.
I can think of no other area for college students where they face punitive action for trying to get an idea of what professional life will be like.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:09 am to rockiee
if you declare but dont get drafted, you should be able to come back but schools should also be allowed to have an open spot to fill with another player
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:09 am to sms151t
If you don't actually want to actually reform something, go study it and write a meaningless report.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:09 am to sms151t
One thing that was annoying is that we couldn’t even let someone else pay for lunch when I played bball.
We also got a list of all the banned substances, and one of them was caffeine. I don’t know how much caffeine or why it even matters.
There just seemed to be a lot of stupid rules.
We also got a list of all the banned substances, and one of them was caffeine. I don’t know how much caffeine or why it even matters.
There just seemed to be a lot of stupid rules.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:10 am to WestCoastAg
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if you declare but dont get drafted, you should be able to come back but schools should also be allowed to have an open spot to fill with another player
In general I don't have an issue with this but the hiring of an agent and going undrafted could get very messy.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:15 am to rockiee
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In general I don't have an issue with this but the hiring of an agent and going undrafted could get very messy.
The hockey model addresses this. I don't know the ins and outs, but hockey players can have agents, get drafted, and still have collegiate eligibility.
The baseball model half-asses it. Players can have advisors when going through the draft process (which they do have to actually declare for, but doing so doesn't affect their eligibility). But having contact with an agent acting as their advisor is tolerated though not explicitly legal. It usually doesn't become an issue unless some dickbag scout gets mad they couldn't sign you and narcs to the NCAA. (This happened a few times in the pacific northwest)
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:20 am to sms151t
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commission also recommends college players should be able to return to school if they go undrafted
No you declare you forfeit any rights. Same as NFL. MLB you don’t declare you’re just eligible
I could just see this recommendation causing mountains of problems and conflicts of interest for member institutions relative to incoming recruiting classes, roster limits, how schools conduct recruiting, team chemistry, etc to the point where it becomes an untenable situation and programs start to either stagnate or decline as a result
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:24 am to sms151t
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Which isn’t the NCAA business. But them possibly locking a scholarship for 3 years or making Freshman ineligible is interesting
Everyone is quick to jump on the College Baseball model, but seldom bring up the fact that college baseball kinda sucks and lacks any real interest. Not saying this is the reason, but eliminating studs from CBB would definitely turn away some fans.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 11:31 am
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:26 am to ProjectP2294
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The hockey model addresses this. I don't know the ins and outs, but hockey players can have agents, get drafted, and still have collegiate eligibility.
You can get drafted, still go to college, and when you are ready to turn pro, the team that drafted you still has your rights. It's a good system (with the exception of there still being a draft).
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:35 am to Black n Gold
quote:CBB shouldn't want those fans anyhow... Let the right fans watch, the ones who like college basketball and not bc its the pro minor league
but eliminating studs from CBB would definitely turn away some fans.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:49 am to pvilleguru
I don’t mind NBA teams drafting you and holding your rights for 3 years. But once you declare you go and can’t come back.
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Ayton gets drafted by the Hornets last year. They hold his rights until the 2020 draft. He can go or stay. But if he declares to go he can not return. Somewhat return it back to the Junior eligible draft how the Celtics got Bird. Also he has to commit to full seasons.
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Ayton gets drafted by the Hornets last year. They hold his rights until the 2020 draft. He can go or stay. But if he declares to go he can not return. Somewhat return it back to the Junior eligible draft how the Celtics got Bird. Also he has to commit to full seasons.
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:53 am to sms151t
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Ayton gets drafted by the Hornets last year. They hold his rights until the 2020 draft. He can go or stay. But if he declares to go he can not return. Somewhat return it back to the Junior eligible draft how the Celtics got Bird.
That approach makes sense, I remember reading about that happening
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