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Cleveland 95..Art Modell is a douche
Posted on 3/13/13 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 3/13/13 at 7:57 pm
Finally getting to watch Cleveland 95 A Football Life. Jesus, just think at the dynasty they would have been.
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Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:00 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
It's still Cleveland. Something would have shite on us.
But ya, art sucks.
But ya, art sucks.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:01 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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just think at the dynasty they would have been.
Except they didn't have the players.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:04 pm to saintsfan22
They actually did.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:07 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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Finally getting to watch Cleveland 95 A Football Life. Jesus, just think at the dynasty they would have been.
Does not compute.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:09 pm to USMC Gators
this was a really cool doc though. An inside look I to the system that all of these guys built and how basically all of them ended up as either head coaches or GMsPosted on 3/13/13 at 8:09 pm to Sophandros
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They actually did.
Sure, a dynasty built around Vinny Testaverde, Leroy Hoard, Derrick Alexander, and Eric Metcalf. That's pretty much Montana, Craig, Rice, and Taylor.
This post was edited on 3/13/13 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:30 pm to saintsfan22
"We had a horseshite preparation the last time we played these guys. We'll have to play our arse off to win this game."
also laughed at the dorky glasses first time I saw this.
I've watched this a few times. Its one of the better ones in my opinion.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:42 pm to LooseCannon22282
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I've watched this a few times. Its one of the better ones in my opinion.
I thought it sucked mostly because it focused on the coaching staff and pretty much glossed over everything that went into the team moving which is a more interesting story IMO.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:45 pm to saintsfan22
they had Andre Rison and Keenan McCardell as WR's, not to bad. I mean Rison had played pretty well for the Falcons before he got to CLE.
tough break.
and how could you forget Pio Sagapolutele? One of the best football names ever.
tough break.
and how could you forget Pio Sagapolutele? One of the best football names ever.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:47 pm to saintsfan22
They were tearing up the league until the move was announced.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:50 pm to saintsfan22
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thought it sucked mostly because it focused on the coaching staff and pretty much glossed over everything that went into the team moving which is a more interesting story IMO.
yeah, good point. But I think it would be hard to squeeze all that into a one hour segment, no?
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:52 pm to LooseCannon22282
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they had Andre Rison and Keenan McCardell as WR's, not to bad. I mean Rison had played pretty well for the Falcons before he got to CLE.
Rison was still in ATL when they were good in 1994 and his career pretty much flamed out once he got to Cleveland. Not much of a building block with him.
McCardell was there for 4 years and was just OK. Him breaking out there like he did in Jacksonville isn't a given.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:56 pm to LooseCannon22282
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But I think it would be hard to squeeze all that into a one hour segment, no?
True but it was about 75% coaching staff and 25% leaving Cleveland. That should've been flipped to me. The staff is certainly a story but how much blowing Belichick do we need.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 9:05 pm to saintsfan22
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Rison was still in ATL when they were good in 1994 and his career pretty much flamed out once he got to Cleveland. Not much of a building block with him. McCardell was there for 4 years and was just OK. Him breaking out there like he did in Jacksonville isn't a given.
won't disagree with any of that but to me, the talent was there at least at WR. We'll never know because of how things unfolded. That season was doomed when Modell made that call, they had no chance after that.
McCardell had his best season there that year and then went on to a pretty decent career after he left...
Posted on 3/13/13 at 9:41 pm to saintsfan22
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Except they didn't have the players.
Naw, they were shaping up nicely as far as talent went. That whole revelation about moving to B-more killed most of their spirits.
And imagine if the move never happened, I wouldn't have doubted them not only playing in or possibly winning a Superbowl by like 98 or 99, but they probably would have become somewhat of a dynasty throughout the early 2000's. They were in the process of building a strong foundation and going about it the right way.
ETA: It's not hard to imagine them being what the Patriots are now.
This post was edited on 3/13/13 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:49 pm to saintsfan22
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The staff is certainly a story but how much blowing Belichick do we need.
yeah, they had two other episodes in that series that were entirely devoted to him
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:51 pm to Michael J Cocks
Is it an oversimplification to say the Browns would've just become what the Ravens became?
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:53 pm to genro
No, they could have become what the Ravens and the Patriots were combined.
Posted on 3/14/13 at 2:07 am to genro
No not at all. In fact I think their success may even have been a year or two faster than Baltimores. But of course that's assuming BB stays put and keeps at least 60% or more of that coaching staff together. If that was the case I think the front office (and people like Ozzie Newsome) would have been competent enough to see gradual improvements in personell to that already solid foundation each year throughout the late 90's. I could easily see them being what B-more was and very possibly what New England is. 
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